Love my gun/shooting hobby - don't love "gun people"

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So my next stop is 6 decades, and perhaps I'm just and old curmudgeon. I LOVE to talk guns with other collectors, but "gun people" can be a bit cringe. As we know the vast majority of people who are as into guns as most of us are, just happen to be horribly conservative. However, gun culture has changed so much that even those who are not right wingers still go in for all the new gun culture stuff, and that stuff is a bit cringe too.

People are just WAY to defensive oriented these days. No one talks about shooting for sport, and anymore there's very little talk of hunting. It's all the latest hardware, and "training". The right wingers are "training" for the day they take on the government and take their country back. The left wing are training for the day the MAGA nuts try that, so they're "training" to fight MAGA and the Fascists.

I guess the world is just feeling a bit heavy this morning...everything is so serious. Hobbies are supposed to be fun.

Me - I'm plinking and having fun. For me, if you load up my shooting sport with all that heaviness, then it saps some of the fun.
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I continue to have fun with my guns and talk with others who own guns/shoot of all persuasions. Left or Right. Everyone in the shooting sports is polarized just like our country. I'll be having a lot more fun if I get my M4, my Sig Sauer MPX PCC, and my tricked out Ruger 10/22 back in State.

Currently they are banned and are in a safe out of State to keep me from having to register them. It'll be a lot more fun when/if I get them back.

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I'm 71 and have never "needed" a gun. I wanted many. Got some. Still have about half of them.

I agree that there exist cringe gun owners. With a bit of practice, most folks could deliver a kill shot from 100 meters. I think that skill grants some folks a seductive power. This power transfers over into "real life" and they end up as cringe-worthy individuals. Too bad for the rest of us, as one gun owner's reputation transfers magically to all gun owners. This is why we can't have nice things.

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To be honest, my initial adult purchases were with the thought that self-defense could be a reality as the perceived rise of fascism continues. That is still foremost in my selection of (most) firearms.

But it was not a huge surprise to relearn that I like to shoot (my first rifle came to me when I was fourteen, and wanted to shoot holes in inanimate targets). I eventually bought a lever-action .22 (Rossi Rio Bravo, if that matters), and then a Ruger Wrangler revolver for plinking at lower cost than the 9mm pistol or 5.56mm for the AR-platform.

And, if I talk guns with friends, I try to let them guide the conversation, so that I don't become too much of a bore.

While I don't mind knowing about hardware that comes on the market, in case something catches my eye, I find myself focusing on basics, believing in simplicity instead of doo-dads to solve problems I hope to never have.
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I feel fortunate that I do not need guns. And I don’t believe most Americans actually need guns for personal protection (but that is not for me to judge). Yet the unfortunate reality in America these days is that guns represents the power of self-reliance —to the degree they that are actually at odds with community and democracy— while ignoring that all they freedoms they enjoy are because of taxes and representative government… the goodwill of your community members. As a result I view gun culture today as somewhat emblematic of Libertarianism in America. At one time guns may have represented collective defense like in a militia against a foreign enemy but today the enemy is perceived to be other Americans (or non-citizen permanent residents). I don’t subscribe to that narrative of course and probably many here do not. And being out of step with any predominant ethos naturally alienates us from the herd.

Which is why LGC is that much more valuable to keep us feeling sane about being lucid. In the end, we all need community. Truly intelligent, cogent exchange makes life worth living.
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Bisbee wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 4:47 pm I feel fortunate that I do not need guns. And I don’t believe most Americans actually need guns for personal protection (but that is not for me to judge). Yet the unfortunate reality in America these days is that guns represents the power of self-reliance —to the degree they that are actually at odds with community and democracy— while ignoring that all they freedoms they enjoy are because of taxes and representative government… the goodwill of your community members. As a result I view gun culture today as somewhat emblematic of Libertarianism in America. At one time guns may have represented collective defense like in a militia against a foreign enemy but today the enemy is perceived to be other Americans (or non-citizen permanent residents). I don’t subscribe to that narrative of course and probably many here do not. And being out of step with any predominant ethos naturally alienates us from the herd.

Which is why LGC is that much more valuable to keep us feeling sane about being lucid. In the end, we all need community. Truly intelligent, cogent exchange makes life worth living.
I would LOVE to be whole-hearted in agreeing that the enemies are not domestic.

Sadly, I hear too many news clips with MAGAts crowing that they expect a civil war any day, now, and their cult leader telling them that anyone to the political left of Sean Hannity is evil and deserves to have their lives ended.

Do I expect them to act on that suggestion tomorrow? No, not really. Do I expect them to act on that again, as they did on 6 January, 2021? Sadly, I kind of think they will, although I also think it will be hundreds of miles away from my home--well beyond the range at which I could legitimately claim self-defense. Or even defense of loved ones. But I think that the collective defense you mention may come into play at that point.

I sincerely hope it DOESN'T come to that. I still shudder a bit as I recall watching the insurrection on live-stream that day. I was a little bit surprised that the event didn't also become a COVID-19 Super-Spreader event, given the participants and their collective views on the virus.

And, at least a little bit of my "defense" includes defending my neighbors to the best of my ability, to include friends within a fifteen- or twenty-mile radius who know that if the MAGAts "go loud," we have a mutual aid group.
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It is amazing to me, brought forward in this thread, that some of US seem to live in a different nation than some of the others. Not wanting to offend (sincerely) but if some of ya'll don't need a firearm then you are living in another world from me. If you don't feel the need to train and practice to defend yourselves and your family I am envious.

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I wouldn’t rule out the need for a collective defense. It’s going to be likely necessary for a long time in the future. All it takes is a natural disaster that makes it impossible for the national guard or government groups to deploy, exceedingly large areas of devastation and multiple disaster areas. As for needing self defense, yes, I have more than one reason. Also been the victim of violence and don’t intend to be a victim again.
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sikacz wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 7:19 pm I wouldn’t rule out the need for a collective defense. It’s going to be likely necessary for a long time in the future. All it takes is a natural disaster that makes it impossible for the national guard or government groups to deploy, exceedingly large areas of devastation and multiple disaster areas. As for needing self defense, yes, I have more than one reason. Also been the victim of violence and don’t intend to be a victim again.
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Over 50 percent of the population either owns guns or lives in a household with guns. And people have different reasons for owning guns, in this era most are for self defense, but there are still target and sport shooters and hunters. Some people might live in areas with a 5 minute response time by law enforcement, but that's not my area. As we get older we don't have the physical strength if there was a self defense situation, but a gun helps us compensate. Do we need a car maybe not, but it's better than sitting and waiting for a bus on a hot, rainy or snowy day.
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highdesert wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 7:50 pm Over 50 percent of the population either owns guns or lives in a household with guns. And people have different reasons for owning guns, in this era most are for self defense, but there are still target and sport shooters and hunters. Some people might live in areas with a 5 minute response time by law enforcement, but that's not my area. As we get older we don't have the physical strength if there was a self defense situation, but a gun helps us compensate. Do we need a car maybe not, but it's better than sitting and waiting for a bus on a hot, rainy or snowy day.
Agree. I don’t owe any assailant a fair chance to beat me up. There’s things I shouldn’t have to fight for anymore, like the bill of rights.
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VodoundaVinci wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 7:08 pm It is amazing to me, brought forward in this thread, that some of US seem to live in a different nation than some of the others. Not wanting to offend (sincerely) but if some of ya'll don't need a firearm then you are living in another world from me. If you don't feel the need to train and practice to defend yourselves and your family I am envious.

VooDoo
I fully recognize the marvelous good fortune that I haven't needed a defensive firearm in my more than sixty years in this life. I've been darned lucky--although I also recognize that I've led a life of privilege (I'm in a certain demographic).

I also am aware that one's luck can run out at any moment, even if I also think about the Roger Penske definition of luck as being "when preparation meets opportunity."

Several months ago, I was driving my car on a road with a 35MPH speed limit. There was a guy driving a crappy car FAR too close to my back bumper (like, "I don't get that close to the car in front of me at a STOPLIGHT" close). I LOATHE tailgaters. I was armed. I felt threatened by the idiocy of the guy behind me. I didn't draw down on the guy, because, well, I could have gone fifty in that thirty-five zone and gotten away from him.

But, yeah, I feel the need to practice, and learn, and work on my meager skill set, because even though I've gone sixty-some-odd (some VERY odd) years without needing a self-defense firearm, it could happen.

I do NOT, however, think that it's "only a matter of time until I need to shoot someone to defend myself."
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The odds of any of us having to shoot someone are dismal. I don't bank on having to defend myself with a firearm - I just don't want to have the regrets and self incrimination if I fail to prepare myself and "something happens" to someone I love.

With modern cars and tires it's possible to drive for decades or even a lifetime and not have a flat tire. I spent decades driving on the roads for hundreds of thousands of miles in all kinds of weather in my job as a field service specialist. Never had a flat tire, never ended up in the ditch in bad weather. Yet I have a spare tire that I know was inflated and enough extra stuff to have water and a way to stay warm if it came to that.

It's the same with firearms to me except I also enjoy punching targets out to almost a mile or training for speed and competence. I really wouldn't enjoy changing a tire in the freezing rain but I always had the stuff to do it.

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BearPaws wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:22 pm I fully recognize the marvelous good fortune that I haven't needed a defensive firearm in my more than sixty years in this life. I've been darned lucky--although I also recognize that I've led a life of privilege (I'm in a certain demographic).
I, however, am not in that "certain demographic" of privilege. Neither was my father and nor is a rather large chunk of my family. I have not yet needed to defend myself in the way that he had to, on several occasions, and I hope I never have to do so.
BearPaws wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:22 pm I also am aware that one's luck can run out at any moment, even if I also think about the Roger Penske definition of luck as being "when preparation meets opportunity."
That's exactly why the ol' Boy Scout motto of, "Be Prepared" applies here. That includes having a gun...just in case that luck runs out. It only takes once.
BearPaws wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:22 pm Several months ago, I was driving my car on a road with a 35MPH speed limit. There was a guy driving a crappy car FAR too close to my back bumper (like, "I don't get that close to the car in front of me at a STOPLIGHT" close). I LOATHE tailgaters. I was armed. I felt threatened by the idiocy of the guy behind me. I didn't draw down on the guy, because, well, I could have gone fifty in that thirty-five zone and gotten away from him.

But, yeah, I feel the need to practice, and learn, and work on my meager skill set, because even though I've gone sixty-some-odd (some VERY odd) years without needing a self-defense firearm, it could happen.

I do NOT, however, think that it's "only a matter of time until I need to shoot someone to defend myself."
Nor do I, and I've learned that nor do the VAST majority of gun owners, be they Conservatives, Liberals, or otherwise. And it's never wrong to practice in a safe venue like a range; the more, the better.

I believe this narrative of, "the CONSERVATIVES just wanna SHOOT US LIBERALS!" is generally false and a damned dangerous narrative, to boot. I've actually met more "Progressives" who give me the "I'm gonna hurt you" vibe than I have "Conservatives". In some cases, the Conservatives might just not want to deal with me and may even shun me here and there. But I haven't had them get up in my face with what looks like violent intent like I've seen some Progressives do. That has been my observation.

Just sayin' that painting "the other tribe" with that broad brush doesn't help anyone. Violence happens on both the Progressive and Conservative sides, unfortunately.
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Bisbee wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 4:47 pm I feel fortunate that I do not need guns. And I don’t believe most Americans actually need guns for personal protection (but that is not for me to judge). Yet the unfortunate reality in America these days is that guns represents the power of self-reliance —to the degree they that are actually at odds with community and democracy— while ignoring that all they freedoms they enjoy are because of taxes and representative government… the goodwill of your community members. As a result I view gun culture today as somewhat emblematic of Libertarianism in America. At one time guns may have represented collective defense like in a militia against a foreign enemy but today the enemy is perceived to be other Americans (or non-citizen permanent residents). I don’t subscribe to that narrative of course and probably many here do not. And being out of step with any predominant ethos naturally alienates us from the herd.

Which is why LGC is that much more valuable to keep us feeling sane about being lucid. In the end, we all need community. Truly intelligent, cogent exchange makes life worth living.
I wonder, Bisbee, if some of that animosity isn't precisely because lots of folk want to control others' rights to firearms? I mean, I'm pretty fucking angry at the assholes that want to limit women's rights. Perhaps if we (both sides) got out of the business of restrictions on rights, we'd all get along better? But, lesser of two evils, and all that. Heaven forbid we had an all rights for all people candidate.

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I totally agree. And it’s an apt comparison between gun control and reproductive control. Both, I suspect, are undergirded by fear, arguments for all based on sound-bites and beliefs rather than factual information or simple economics (wealthier populations tend to experience less unwanted pregnancies and stress leading to homicide/suicide).
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And antiabortion and gun control politicians use the same tactics, gradual restrictions over time. Louisiana just approved classifying abortion medications as controlled dangerous substances. And blue states keep passing more gun control laws. They try to paint pro-choice and gun owners as one step above a pedophile.
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