Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1977
'Who is she?' Trump once again attacks E. Jean Carroll at Michigan rally

It appears that Donald Trump did not learn his lesson after the former president was ordered to pay more than $80 million in a defamation case brought by columnist E. Jean Carroll, who was found to have been sexually assaulted by Trump in the mid-1990s.

Trump took the stage on Saturday at a Get Out the Vote Rally in Waterford Township, Michigan. He began by ranting about the outcome of his recent civil fraud trial, where he was hit with an order to pay hundreds of millions of dollars and limit his business practices in New York state.

After discussing the fraud case, Trump turned to Carroll's verdict.

"How about the one two weeks ago?" Trump asks the crowd Saturday evening. "A woman, I'm saying, 'Who the hell is she? Who is the woman?' It's so unfair what's happening in our country. Our court system is a mess."

He added, "What's happening in our country, they have to straighten it out."

Carroll has already held Trump to account twice for assaulting and defaming her. After the first case, the former president was ordered to pay $5 million. The second trial resulted in a much larger sum, with the jury saying Trump owes Carroll more than $80 million. Trump has vowed to appeal those results, but legal experts suggest success for Trump would be extremely difficult there.

For her part, after the last massive verdict in her favor, Carroll has not discounted the idea of a third lawsuit against the former president. She has indicated that she will listen to her well-respected attorneys and, if they suggest such a filing is warranted, she would go for it.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-carroll-rally/

This just proves tat TOS is following the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He keeps this up he won't have any lawyers to defend him and Carroll will own all his properties.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1978
TrueTexan wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:38 am
'Who is she?' Trump once again attacks E. Jean Carroll at Michigan rally

It appears that Donald Trump did not learn his lesson after the former president was ordered to pay more than $80 million in a defamation case brought by columnist E. Jean Carroll, who was found to have been sexually assaulted by Trump in the mid-1990s.

Trump took the stage on Saturday at a Get Out the Vote Rally in Waterford Township, Michigan. He began by ranting about the outcome of his recent civil fraud trial, where he was hit with an order to pay hundreds of millions of dollars and limit his business practices in New York state.

After discussing the fraud case, Trump turned to Carroll's verdict.

"How about the one two weeks ago?" Trump asks the crowd Saturday evening. "A woman, I'm saying, 'Who the hell is she? Who is the woman?' It's so unfair what's happening in our country. Our court system is a mess."

He added, "What's happening in our country, they have to straighten it out."

Carroll has already held Trump to account twice for assaulting and defaming her. After the first case, the former president was ordered to pay $5 million. The second trial resulted in a much larger sum, with the jury saying Trump owes Carroll more than $80 million. Trump has vowed to appeal those results, but legal experts suggest success for Trump would be extremely difficult there.

For her part, after the last massive verdict in her favor, Carroll has not discounted the idea of a third lawsuit against the former president. She has indicated that she will listen to her well-respected attorneys and, if they suggest such a filing is warranted, she would go for it.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-carroll-rally/

This just proves tat TOS is following the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He keeps this up he won't have any lawyers to defend him and Carroll will own all his properties.
She'll have to stand in line since it looks like the folk holding mortgages might get first dibs.
To be vintage it must be older than me!
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1979
sig230 wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:23 pm [
She'll have to stand in line since it looks like the folk holding mortgages might get first dibs.
Trump has already been 'quietly' selling off properties before court losses

According to the New York Times reporter who received Donald Trump's tax returns anonymously during the 2016 presidential election, the former president has already been discretely liquidating his real estate portfolio long before he was slammed with almost $500 million in legal fines.

Speaking with hosts of MSNBC's "The Weekend," investigative reporter Suzanne Craig claimed it appears the former president has been "stockpiling" cash, although it is unclear how much he has on hand.

Noting the $450 million financial fraud judgement handed down by Judge Arthur Engoron on Friday, in addition to $83 million due to E. Jean Carroll, Craig explained Trump has few options besides dipping into his own cash reserves since most banks are off-limits.

"He won't be able to go to banks and get a loan," she explained. "While he was president, and since he left office, I think a lot of people, when they think of Donald Trump's banking relationships, think of Deutsche Bank which has done so much with him. What a lot of people don't know is that in recent years, Deutsche Bank has exited at the scene."

"In fact, another thing that was not noticed, I think during his presidency there was so much going on, is just that Donald Trump has been shrinking his financial holdings. He sold, you know well-known, the old post office hotel that he had the operating lease to in Washington."

"He sold the operating lease to a golf course he had in New York," she elaborated. "He is also been quietly selling condominiums around New York and buildings he owned. He sold a house he owned in L.A. He has been, I don't know, stockpiling the cash he has been selling down, we don't know how much cash he has on hand. He said last year, close to 400 million."

"I'm always careful when I talk about that cash on hand," she cautioned. "It could be 200, 300 [million], the next day, it could be zero, if he has to make a payment on something. We really don't have a lot of visibility in this cash position, but we know he has been selling assets that should have raised cash."
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-money-p ... 667309553/

I wonder how much of the money is now in Saudi or Swiss banks?
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"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1980
MAGA Truckers are now refusing to drive to NYC because their hero has to pay over half a billion in judgements!

And in "Man Bites Dog" news, Aileen Cannon has SHOCKED the world by refusing to move the Feb 22 deadline back for pre-trial motions, stymying yet ANOTHER TOS delaying tactic! That's this coming Thursday, folks!
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1982
Trump campaign gets yet another warning for accepting illegal donations

Former President Donald Trump's 2024 campaign has been flagged yet again by the Federal Election Commission for accepting donations with illegal amounts, according to a new letter to the campaign treasurer exclusively obtained by Raw Story.

Under the law, a campaign for federal office cannot accept more than $3,300 per person, $2,000 per authorized committee, or $5,000 per multi-candidate committee in a single election — but Trump appears to have accepted well in excess of that from a number of sources.

The letter, which detailed over two hundred pages of "apparent excessive, prohibited, and impermissible contributions," warned that the campaign could face an "audit or enforcement action," which would typically include fines, if the campaign does not respond and take appropriate action within the deadline.

This is not the first time this has happened. Last year, the FEC issued a similar warning to the Trump campaign detailing 88 pages of impermissible contributions.

And in 2022, the Trump campaign also came under scrutiny for how campaign contributions were moved around and used, improperly shuffling hundreds of millions of dollars through intermediaries in ways that obscured the original contributors.

All of this is separate from controversies surrounding how Trump raised the money in the first place; In 2021, the Trump campaign was forced to refund $13 million that was debited from supporters without their knowledge, by pre-checking a box to make the donation recur monthly and obscuring it so many supporters didn't realize what they were agreeing to.
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigat ... donations/

One scam after another just to take the shills money and they didn't even get a pair of shoes.
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"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1983
The news here not merely that he is running another “scam” on willfully ignorant Americans. This is an active attempt to skirt campaign finance laws preventing the funneling of large sums of illegal money into his coffers, quite possibly from foreign actors. Those giving him (large sums of) money are nefariously attempting to purchase influence in the highest office in our government; a chess game of international proportions. They are not being scammed. Rather these folks are making a high risk “investment” —illegally— in a treasonous actor running for office of the president of the United States and can easily afford to lose that money in a calculated gamble. None of this is news.

The news is actually that our laws protecting our democracy from eroding (as easily) into a form of mere performative oligarchy has actively caught 45 running his campaign finance scheme… again! In other words, TRE45ON gets caught red-handed again! (Time to call in the Feds to cuff him!)
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1984
'These cases should all be thrown out!' Trump lashes out in multi-post midnight meltdown

After spending Sunday posting screenshots of various polls showing him either leading against former Gov. Nikki Haley (R-SC) and President Joe Biden, Donald Trump went off on a multi-post bender at midnight fuming at the results of the financial fraud trial that could cost him as much as $450 million.

On his Truth Social platform, the former president, who is now looking at paying out over a half billion dollars in two civil suits and the trial just concluded in Judge Arthur Engoron's court room, attacked New York Attorney General Letitia James and then went on to attack Haley for not bowing out of the GOP nomination race.

In his first post, he took a broader swipe at this legal problems by complaining, "We can’t allow Crooked or Compromised Judges and Prosecutors to get away with what they are doing to your favorite President, ME, in New York City and State, Fulton County (Atlanta), Georgia, or Washington, D.C. It is a coordinated attack on FREEDOM & LIBERTY. It is an attack on the future of our Nation. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

Turning to Haley, he wrote, "When will stupid people like Nikki Haley confess to knowing that the Indictments and Litigation that I am fighting is all DEMOCRAT and Crooked Joe Biden INSPIRED, COORDINATED, & RUN! They have done a terrible job, and there is nothing else that they can do to save their 'sinking ship.'"


He added, "It is illegal Election Interference, and if I weren’t running, or leading so big, none of this would be happening. If Birdbrain were ever in my position, which she won’t be, she would be hit just as hard, and not be able to fight back. The only money she is getting now is coming from Democrats. I know her well, and she just doesn’t have what it takes, and never will. MAGA! P.S. She’s losing to Biden in almost every poll. I am winning in EVERY poll!"

Wrapping up his late night binge, he insisted all of the criminal and civil cases filed against him need to be thrown out while expressing frustration that he lost to AG James and complaining about Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg and special counsel Jack Smith.

"Why was the Corrupt New York State Attorney General, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, allowed to dump her lawsuit, using a NEVER USED FOR THIS BEFORE STATUTE, with No Defaults, No Complaints, No Victims — ONLY SUCCESS — ONTO THE DESK OF TRUMP HATING, RADICAL LEFT JUDGE, Arthur Engoron, one of the most overturned Judges in the State, four times on this Witch Hunt alone. YOU CAN’T pick your Judge, which Bragg did, and Deranged Jack Smith did in D.C. These cases should all be thrown out!" he wrote.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-meltdown-2667313134/

His usual blathering childish B.S. Unfortunately if he was elected we could see more of this and serious attacks against anyone that had disagreed with him or worked on any of the cases that he was convicted of the charges and of course he would pardon himself of all charges and convictions. He would make Putin and Netanyahu look like amateurs when it comes to extreme dictators with crazy whims.
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"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1985
All America can learn from these petulant posts: Age is no guarantee of maturity and adulthood. “Spare the rod, spoil the child,” used to be such a strong part of American culture but propriety has given way to gluttony since the ‘80s and we can all see the true result of that “greed is good” ethos coming home to roost.

This important lesson cannot be lost on anyone paying attention. As I’ve always said, 45 is a symptom —not the cause! The only path out of this is to treat the pathology as a mental health issue: shut down bad behavior; encourage greater social/moral responsibility.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1986
Trump cites Justice Dept. rule book in effort to quash trials: 'Not allowed'

Former President Donald Trump lashed out at judges hearing his criminal and civil cases in the latest of a series of rants he unleashed Monday. In a post to his Truth Social platform, Trump said prosecutors and judges were radical lunatics.

"All political prosecutions of your favorite president, me, must stop immediately," he wrote.

"We are in the middle of an election, perhaps the most important election in the history of our country, and these radical left lunatic prosecutors and judges are not allowed to be doing this. Why didn't they start three years ago??? Because they wanted to interfere with the presidential election of 2024, that's why!"

Trump cited the "Justice Department’s Justice Manual" as evidence his trials should be postponed until after the 2024 election.

“Federal prosecutors and agents may never select the timing of any action, including investigative steps, criminal charges, or statements, for the purpose of affecting any election, or for the purpose of giving an advantage or disadvantage to any candidate or political party," he quoted.

"This is election interference, and must be immediately stopped. I should not have to go through any fake prosecutions before the election, This is communism, and a threat to democracy. Our country will not stand for it. Make America great again!!!" he added.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-judges-2667315627/

He has as much chance of this being used as a defense, as grasping at a straw in a hurricane.
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"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1988
Letitia James ready to seize Trump buildings if he can't pay $355M fine

New York Attorney General Letitia James is ready to seize former President Donald Trump's iconic New York City buildings if he can't come up with the cash to pay his $355 million civil fraud fine, a new report shows.

"If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets," James told ABC News.

"We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers, and yes, I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day," she said.

Trump was hit with a $354.8 million fine and about $100 million in pre-judgment interest on Friday after Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruled that the 45th president, his two grown sons Eric and Don Jr. as well as the Trump Organization's former CFO Allen Weisselberg committed widespread fraud for years to secure sweet deals and loans.

"This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin,” Engoron wrote in an unflinching 92-page opinion. “They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-building-seized/

Let them seize the buildings and use them to house the homeless and the migrants sent there by Gov. Abbott.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1989
TrueTexan wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:45 pm
Letitia James ready to seize Trump buildings if he can't pay $355M fine

New York Attorney General Letitia James is ready to seize former President Donald Trump's iconic New York City buildings if he can't come up with the cash to pay his $355 million civil fraud fine, a new report shows.

"If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets," James told ABC News.

"We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers, and yes, I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day," she said.

Trump was hit with a $354.8 million fine and about $100 million in pre-judgment interest on Friday after Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruled that the 45th president, his two grown sons Eric and Don Jr. as well as the Trump Organization's former CFO Allen Weisselberg committed widespread fraud for years to secure sweet deals and loans.

"This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin,” Engoron wrote in an unflinching 92-page opinion. “They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-building-seized/

Let them seize the buildings and use them to house the homeless and the migrants sent there by Gov. Abbott.
Not a bad idea, but the cost to run those buildings is not cheap.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1992
sikacz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:49 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:45 pm
Letitia James ready to seize Trump buildings if he can't pay $355M fine

New York Attorney General Letitia James is ready to seize former President Donald Trump's iconic New York City buildings if he can't come up with the cash to pay his $355 million civil fraud fine, a new report shows.

"If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets," James told ABC News.

"We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers, and yes, I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day," she said.

Trump was hit with a $354.8 million fine and about $100 million in pre-judgment interest on Friday after Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruled that the 45th president, his two grown sons Eric and Don Jr. as well as the Trump Organization's former CFO Allen Weisselberg committed widespread fraud for years to secure sweet deals and loans.

"This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin,” Engoron wrote in an unflinching 92-page opinion. “They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-building-seized/

Let them seize the buildings and use them to house the homeless and the migrants sent there by Gov. Abbott.
Not a bad idea, but the cost to run those buildings is not cheap.
TOS built crappy buildings. His Tower was reinforced concrete, not steel-frame, because he used mafia concrete suppliers. No sprinklers either, so a condo fire a few years ago had devastating effects. Why "waste" money on occupant safety?
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1993
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:04 pm
sikacz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:49 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:45 pm
Letitia James ready to seize Trump buildings if he can't pay $355M fine

New York Attorney General Letitia James is ready to seize former President Donald Trump's iconic New York City buildings if he can't come up with the cash to pay his $355 million civil fraud fine, a new report shows.

"If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets," James told ABC News.

"We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers, and yes, I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day," she said.

Trump was hit with a $354.8 million fine and about $100 million in pre-judgment interest on Friday after Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruled that the 45th president, his two grown sons Eric and Don Jr. as well as the Trump Organization's former CFO Allen Weisselberg committed widespread fraud for years to secure sweet deals and loans.

"This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin,” Engoron wrote in an unflinching 92-page opinion. “They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-building-seized/

Let them seize the buildings and use them to house the homeless and the migrants sent there by Gov. Abbott.
Not a bad idea, but the cost to run those buildings is not cheap.
TOS built crappy buildings. His Tower was reinforced concrete, not steel-frame, because he used mafia concrete suppliers. No sprinklers either, so a condo fire a few years ago had devastating effects. Why "waste" money on occupant safety?
To be fair, building codes don’t always require sprinklers. Usually building made with concrete structure are not required to be sprinklered because the frame is considered essentially fireproof. How many people died in this fire? The idea is not to save or prevent building damage but to ensure the structure retains its integrity long enough to get the people out.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1994
sikacz wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:14 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:04 pm
sikacz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:49 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:45 pm

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-building-seized/

Let them seize the buildings and use them to house the homeless and the migrants sent there by Gov. Abbott.
Not a bad idea, but the cost to run those buildings is not cheap.
TOS built crappy buildings. His Tower was reinforced concrete, not steel-frame, because he used mafia concrete suppliers. No sprinklers either, so a condo fire a few years ago had devastating effects. Why "waste" money on occupant safety?
To be fair, building codes don’t always require sprinklers. Usually building made with concrete structure are not required to be sprinklered because the frame is considered essentially fireproof. How many people died in this fire? The idea is not to save or prevent building damage, but to ensure the structure retains its integrity long enough to get the people out.
I agree, you're the professional sika I'm just an amateur who worked on life safety after a major fire. Yes the goal is to evacuate people as quickly as possible from buildings and save lives. It's much more difficult in skyscrapers/high rise buildings where totally evacuating people is much more difficult, so they relocate them. Buildings are filled with a lot of toxic substances which complicates things.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1995
highdesert wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:38 pm
sikacz wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:14 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:04 pm
sikacz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:49 pm
Not a bad idea, but the cost to run those buildings is not cheap.
TOS built crappy buildings. His Tower was reinforced concrete, not steel-frame, because he used mafia concrete suppliers. No sprinklers either, so a condo fire a few years ago had devastating effects. Why "waste" money on occupant safety?
To be fair, building codes don’t always require sprinklers. Usually building made with concrete structure are not required to be sprinklered because the frame is considered essentially fireproof. How many people died in this fire? The idea is not to save or prevent building damage, but to ensure the structure retains its integrity long enough to get the people out.
I agree, you're the professional sika I'm just an amateur who worked on life safety after a major fire. Yes the goal is to evacuate people as quickly as possible from buildings and save lives. It's much more difficult in skyscrapers/high rise buildings where totally evacuating people is much more difficult, so they relocate them. Buildings are filled with a lot of toxic substances which complicates things.
Absolutely agree. I would also note that codes could be better. There are codes that require additional measures when hazardous materials are to be stored in a building that would require either compartmentalization of that area of the building. Property owners are not always honest though and buildings that were built to a code are utilized in a manner they were not intended. That would make the building non code compliant. I’m not defending trump, nor the builder or architect, just pointing out that codes are different depending on construction type and occupancy type. That said, many residences do have extremely combustible materials within in them and likely any condo unit exposed to fire without a sprinkler system will be a total loss. If proper code compliant separation exists the damage should not extend to many units other than the original. Separating partition walls can be of various types of fire walls and barriers. If these are not done correctly there would be a building violation. These walls are not always made with the same material as the structure. They can be anywhere from 30 minute, 1hour to 4 hour or such walls depending on on how the building is partitioned. I guess I wouldn’t simply say trumps buildings are not built to code. They likely were, architects, engineers and contractors have way more to lose by not making sure a building is code compliant. Whether a building is code compliant during occupancy is largely the owners responsibility and the code compliance inspectors of the city or compliance authorities.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1996
sikacz wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:55 pm
highdesert wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:38 pm
sikacz wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:14 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:04 pm

TOS built crappy buildings. His Tower was reinforced concrete, not steel-frame, because he used mafia concrete suppliers. No sprinklers either, so a condo fire a few years ago had devastating effects. Why "waste" money on occupant safety?
To be fair, building codes don’t always require sprinklers. Usually building made with concrete structure are not required to be sprinklered because the frame is considered essentially fireproof. How many people died in this fire? The idea is not to save or prevent building damage, but to ensure the structure retains its integrity long enough to get the people out.
I agree, you're the professional sika I'm just an amateur who worked on life safety after a major fire. Yes the goal is to evacuate people as quickly as possible from buildings and save lives. It's much more difficult in skyscrapers/high rise buildings where totally evacuating people is much more difficult, so they relocate them. Buildings are filled with a lot of toxic substances which complicates things.
Absolutely agree. I would also note that codes could be better. There are codes that require additional measures when hazardous materials are to be stored in a building that would require either compartmentalization of that area of the building. Property owners are not always honest though and buildings that were built to a code are utilized in a manner they were not intended. That would make the building non code compliant. I’m not defending trump, nor the builder or architect, just pointing out that codes are different depending on construction type and occupancy type. That said, many residences do have extremely combustible materials within in them and likely any condo unit exposed to fire without a sprinkler system will be a total loss. If proper code compliant separation exists the damage should not extend to many units other than the original. Separating partition walls can be of various types of fire walls and barriers. If these are not done correctly there would be a building violation. These walls are not always made with the same material as the structure. They can be anywhere from 30 minute, 1hour to 4 hour or such walls depending on on how the building is partitioned. I guess I wouldn’t simply say trumps buildings are not built to code. They likely were, architects, engineers and contractors have way more to lose by not making sure a building is code compliant. Whether a building is code compliant during occupancy is largely the owners responsibility and the code compliance inspectors of the city or compliance authorities.
Completely agree.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1997
I found a rough figure that indicated a building like the Empire State Building has an energy cost of about 10 plus million a year. That’s not including other costs as well. So to my original post on this, taking over any building even the size trump owns will have significant costs to anyone who takes them over. Might be more practical to force a sale and take the proceeds and not take ownership of the buildings.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1998
My wife's EA has had to move her frail aging mother. Why? The woman in the apartment above had a piece of medical equipment fail and catch fire, and her sprinklers went off, flooding her apartment, and the EA's mother. But both women survived. Without the sprinklers, the lady above would have burned to death, but all she had was smoke inhalation. Now both need to be relocated, but they are alive.

A POS like TOS doesn't give a shit. Never has, never will. every dollar he must spend is a dollar "STOLEN" from him. Every dollar not in his pocket is also stolen from him. He's shit, and his buildings are shit.
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Re: Orange spirochete indictment thread

1999
YT your comment has nothing to do with a building being built to code or not. Let’s not starting making issues out of things that don’t exist. I wouldn’t have made a comment on your first comment, but you incorrectly made a claim about concrete structures. That demonstrated you didn’t fully understand building codes and what structures need sprinklers. Obviously there’s benefits to sprinklers, but buildings are built to codes for a reason. Smoke detectors and alarms are required and those would alert the building maintenance and fire department of an issue. It would be wonderful if building owners built beyond codes, but they don’t. If you feel strongly about sprinklers start an advocacy group to get it into code for all buildings. I can tell you it won’t be well received and may mean a less fireproof structure becomes more advantageous to build than a concrete structure. It’s always about balancing cost of construction and required building systems along with long term projections. If you want to say trump’s buildings are not to code even when occupancy is as designed and permitted, then find a sample and cite it.
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