papajim2jordan wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:56 pm
Population control is always lethal.
Darting wild horses (and other species) with birth control is not lethal, but it is population control. Hazing animals from densely populated areas to where they are more sparse is not lethal, but it is population control. Seeding an area with food, plant or animal, to draw a species into an area is not lethal, but it is population control.
All are tools alongside hunting. Which is most appropriate depending on the situation needs to be science based. Not what a voter base considers "socially acceptable" (as noted in the proposed ballot measure).
Many object to hunting when purely for sport.
It is currently illegal in CO to not designate hunted meat of most species for human consumption, including mountain lions. You kill an elk and give it all to your dog, you're poaching from a legal perspective. "Trophy hunting" or hunting "purely for sport" or "just for a head on the wall" is already illegal in CO.
The text of the ballot initiative is below. Note how there is no distinction about it being "purely for sport". The definition included for "trophy hunting" is pretty much just "hunting". The only thing distinguishing it as "trophy hunting" is the targeted species. Should be noted that lynx are already protected separately in other legislation. But the out of state interests pushing the bill don't actually care about the realities of the state.
(b) “TROPHY HUNTING” MEANS INTENTIONALLY:
(I) KILLING, WOUNDING, OR ENTRAPPING A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX; OR
(II) DISCHARGING OR RELEASING ANY DEADLY WEAPON, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 18-1-
901(3)(e) AT A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX.
I have killed coyotes so as to spare my pets (dogs and cats).
TBF, the coyotes were probably there first. I have no love for people who sprawl into the mountains and complain about big cats in their back yard. The humans are the ones needing population control in that scenario. However, in CO, we have cats coming into areas that have been inhabited by humans for hundreds of years. They are expanding looking for food and territory. My subdivision is relatively new and lots of coyotes out when I go on long runs. Either way, I personally don't hunt coyote because they taste nasty. Mountain lion, OTOH, is delicious.
Always hated taking a life, but I do occasionally have a piece of pig and cow (no frickin chikin), so it would be hypocritical of me to deny the hunter his due.
Hey, now. No one enjoys killing. It's an unfortunate part of eating meat and managed conservation. But so long as its necessary, you may as well enjoy it.
For pieces of pig, I've currently got a nice pot of dog and knife hunted wild boar green chili in the fridge. Made a bunch so I could can some.
This is a gun forum, and the things have no real utility except for taking life, either for food, or self defense.
Any moral person will have mixed feelings about this.
Damn, have I got a lot of useless guns. I consider myself a moral person and have multiples that are very unlikely to ever take a life. I have no mixed feelings about owning them.
But dig this:
(c) “TROPHY HUNTING” DOES NOT INCLUDE:
(I) ANY ACT SPECIFIED IN SUBSECTION (2)(b) OF THIS SECTION IF IT WAS CONDUCTED IN THE
DEFENSE OF HUMAN LIFE, LIVESTOCK, REAL OR PERSONAL PROPERTY, OR A MOTOR VEHICLE
So there is "no socially acceptable reason" to kill them, unless a bobcat is digging in your backpack or a mountain lion is scratching up your car. Friggin' hypocrites.