F4FEver wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:56 am
featureless wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:31 pm
YT, are you saying there was no background check on the purchases? My understanding is they were through a store and would have been a background check. And all you need is one.
Just checked, all sources say legal purchased at gun stores, so federal FFL background check applied.
And a "whole bunch a guns quickly" has little to do with it. You only need one. There were apparently three on the body. Seeing 7 were purchased.
The BGC check 'system' is a joke. Easy access is the issue here. Once again, after the fact, from info from her mother, this shooter probably shouldn't have access to 7 guns. I bought a gun yesterday(Taurus snubbie to scratch that itch)...but the guy in front of me was so 'demented', he couldn't answer these very simple ? on the 4473..and without the sale guy, he wouldn't have been able to do it..yet, he bought a gun(2 actually)...
I want to be very clear that I sympathize with your position. I would very much like to reduce senseless homicide (and suicide). However, I am very much resistant to adding "stupid" and "mental health" to a background check system. First, the background check system is intended to identify people who are either prohibited persons (i.e., convicted of a qualifying crime) or adjudicated mentally ill (involuntarily committed). In both these cases, some level of judicial process was applied to land them on "the list." What I continue to hear is, let's add mental health patients. That is one hell of a slippery slope, and essentially lands people who have used or are using the mental health system on a list where there has been no due process. Or, it puts their therapist/doc in the position of sole discretion of adding said person to the list. Or, it treats any mental health patient as suspect and finds them guilty enough to at least deny them a fundamental right. It's persecutory at best. It will
absolutely keep people who can be helped by mental health treatment from seeking it out. There's enough stigma around it already.
Personal perspective: I was diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD). It is not a mental health issue that is self resolving or goes away. I get to enjoy it my entire life. It's pretty easy to detect when I need to be extra mindful of it because my clothes that fit fine a minute ago suddenly don't fit right and are making me itchy (lizard brain telling me to get naked and amped up to fight off that saber tooth tiger). I have never and will never be homicidal or suicidal--neither are in my nature, I am foremost concerned with providing for my family and friends. I am unmedicated (not a whole lot out there for us anxious folk that isn't a Schedule 1 disqualifier), functional and utilize acupuncture, breathing and mindfulness to control the 'ol lizard brain. I don't use drugs or alcohol. I've held the same professional job for 24 years and been married to the love of my life even longer. I am extremely stable. That said, a decade or so ago, I experienced one panic attack where I wasn't sure if it was a panic attack or a heart attack (symptoms are similar). I did not seek emergency medical treatment. Why? Because, in California, if I'd been even voluntarily held at the hospital for observation/treatment concerning "mental health" (GAD is in my charts) rather than cardiac health, I'd get a 5 year ban of firearm possession and, depending on who's making the subjective determination, my right to a CCW forever. Doesn't matter one iota that I'm not a danger to myself or others once you get to "apply the system." Hell of a system, eh? 1 out of 10, do not recommend.