sikacz wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:13 pm
featureless wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:33 am
highdesert wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:10 am
Democrats can't confiscate guns, but they can make it very, very difficult to buy and keep them. Just like abortion restrictions they slowly turn the faucet off until they aren't available. It's exactly what they are doing in CA, first the Roster, then require microstamping, then wipe out many guns already on the Roster, then registration for all ARs...CA is the poster child for the degradation of 2A rights.
Yup. Attrition is just slow confiscation. Heller was unambiguous that handguns are protected. Breun reinforced Hellers right to keep and bear (which must also include purchase). Yet the Dems in CA continue to defend and celebrate the roster, AW ban and magazine ban. They have also reintroduced AB2 to gut CCW (to make it far more restrictive than it was pre Bruen). Yes, Democrats really are after your guns.
To say you may have some guns but not any gun is to say you may use the words in the first half of the dictionary but not the second half. 1) it's fucking dumb and 2) it's unconstitutional.
Agree. There’s nothing weak about this. California is to blame for much of the division driven in our political system by the influence they wield, the outright unconstitutional laws they create and their refusal to follow the laws as interpreted by the SCOTUS. I’d even blame California for the SCOTUS we have now, pushing the neoliberal agenda helped align forces that brought us a court that has ruled against women and will likely rule against minorities which no longer enjoy the protections that were thought secured after the 1960’s.
California as in the state and not all Californians , we have plenty of Californians here that do not support what California is doing.
Yes, you do. That's one reason I am here, because as a Californian, I don't support what California is doing.
Though I have to say, it's not the first reason. And as someone who was born and raise in Manhattan, (and spent a fair amount of time in Boston) I do find the idea that California is the epitome of anti-gun sentiment and legislation to be a bit odd.
One reason I moved here from New York was because you actually can own guns here. And as onerous, complicated, and incomprehensible as the laws are, they have not stopped me from buying a single gun that I wanted (or could afford) to own-- even if that's mostly dumb luck. I bought two of them before 2005, or whatever, the other was a shotgun, and the fourth happened to be an SA.
I'm not defending the laws, I'm just trying to explain why-- as strange as it might sound to folks from Arizona, Texas, and many other states-- I didn't get concerned about California gun laws until recently.
(Thank God single action revolvers aren't on the roster. Look, I'm new here, don't flame me if I got this wrong, but with a practical rate of fire of a little under a second per shot, they just don't seem a hell of a lot more harmless than double action-- at least for the first five.)
It wasn't until I joined this forum-- and I'm about to plunk down my dues when I finish this post-- that I learned about microstamping and all the other crazy regs. I could never live in New York City again. I can't even carry a knife with a pocket clip on the subway.
To a New Yorker, L.A. is a gun-friendly town, though not like it used to be. Since I've lived here, my guns stayed mostly in my safe, and I was only vaguely aware that the laws were changing. In the early '90s, there were literally gun shops on Hollywood Boulevard. (I believe they only sold Ring of Fire guns!) So I've learned the hell of a lot just in the few weeks I've been here, and I'm glad this club exists.
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I actually do worry that if guns were banned, the methods people would use for mass murder would be far more indiscriminate and would kill far more people. The shooting at the substation demonstrates how vulnerable a lot of our infrastructure is, for sure, but you don't need a gun to go after a lot of it. In fact, it bothers me enough that I'm not going to list any of those potential methods here, but they are not nearly as selective.
And I believe there are more and more individuals who would actually do some of those things. People are putting fentanyl in pill presses and selling it as Tylenol and Codeine. And SSRIs are approved by the FDA-- drugs that do help a small percentage of people they are prescribed for, but can also destroy empathy so suddenly and thoroughly that when patients kill themselves, they do it right in the damn kitchen and don't even bother locking themselves in the bathroom or garage.
Sometimes, I think I'm more worried about careless or accidental mass murder, or even extinction level events, than I am about the intentional variety.