Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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wings wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:31 pm I for one am not willing to sacrifice the 1st, 4th, 5th and 9th amendments to avoid any sort of regulatory friction for the 2nd. YMMV.
Who said you have to? My question above thus applies to you as well: Is there no Liberal that you'd vote for that is truly pro-Second Amendment?
wings wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:31 pm I kind of want a lever gun in .45 Colt, but not willing to support the Trumpinistas running Henry. So that leaves Rossi. I don't like rifles enough to pick one up yet, either way, but if Rossi gives the .45 the bastardized rail treatment I might be forced to reconsider.
Rossi likely will not do Picatinny rails with their Winchester 92 action, because they're going for originality as much as possible. Therefore, I would suggest you wait for the Ruger-made Marlin 1894's to come out with that chambering. Ruger has a very good track record for quality and for taking care of their customers.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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CowboyT wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 am You mean to tell me there's no Liberal that you'd vote for that is truly pro-Second Amendment? Really? That's unfortunate.

Looks like this weekend, I just might have that opportunity to develop that load. Got the powder, got the cases, got the primers, and now it's just a matter of casting some boolits. I'm looking forward to it.
Not what I said..I would never vote for any GOP...but the dilemma are the 'single issue' voters, who despise trump and all his lemmings, but those 'may' be the only pro-gun candidate on the ticket...along with all the other big lie, anti women's rights, racist policies, and...pro gun.

Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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F4FEver wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:58 am
CowboyT wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 am You mean to tell me there's no Liberal that you'd vote for that is truly pro-Second Amendment? Really? That's unfortunate.

Looks like this weekend, I just might have that opportunity to develop that load. Got the powder, got the cases, got the primers, and now it's just a matter of casting some boolits. I'm looking forward to it.
Not what I said..I would never vote for any GOP...but the dilemma are the 'single issue' voters, who despise trump and all his lemmings, but those 'may' be the only pro-gun candidate on the ticket...along with all the other big lie, anti women's rights, racist policies, and...pro gun.
Not sure why you're bringing the GOP into this, since I didn't mention them. I simply suggested to vote accordingly if you don't like what's happening with the 2A (e. g. the new 4473 check rules that tonguengroover is concerned about, a concern which you appear to--rightly--share). That's it.

I'm now curious: why'd you bring the GOP into this?
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am Primers? Whoa--gnarly.

CDFingers
Yep, using the Tulammo primers from the pre-Putin days. They're actually very reliable; I have yet to have one fail to go bang. They have the additional advantage of looking good in brass cases, since they're also unplated brass.

Got the cast boolits ready to go with some BHN 12 alloy. Cases are cleaned and ready to rock. Next up will be to lube 'em up and develop the loads. I will be using Accurate's new 11FS powder, which is basically H110/W296 with a flash suppressant. Not that a flash suppressant is really needed in a rifle-length barrel because we get pretty complete powder burn, but it'll help in the Super Redhawk, so it's still a plus.

Accurate's data indicates that they used a Remington 2 1/2 primer. This primer appears to be geared for both standard and magnum handgun rounds. Hodgdon has listed them for use with H110 and W296, so the Remington 2 1/2's therefore are pretty hot primers. That tells me that I need to use the magnum Tulammo LPP's for this load. Accurate's data goes up to 30,000 PSI, and they actually list the pressures. The load range goes from 24.2gr powder (1,287 fps) to 28.4gr (1.549 fps), out of the 7.26" barrel, with a max load pressure of 29,041 PSI (piezoelectric, not CUP). This is with the 255gr LSWC. I'm using a 255gr LRNFP, so things should be very similar.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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Until we're looking at Liz Cheney vs. Justin Trudeau, I'm voting left. Which isn't the point of this thread, so I'm not taking that bait.

I have been holding out to see what Ruger does with Marlin, but they are not building confidence with the slow roll-out of leverguns and trickle of wheelies not named Wrangler since the pandemic began. Still using the buckhorns on my 10/22, so Rossi remains a solid option. I'd rather have a Redhawk though.

Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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CowboyT wrote:
CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am Primers? Whoa--gnarly.

CDFingers
Yep, using the Tulammo primers from the pre-Putin days. They're actually very reliable; I have yet to have one fail to go bang. They have the additional advantage of looking good in brass cases, since they're also unplated brass.

Got the cast boolits ready to go with some BHN 12 alloy. Cases are cleaned and ready to rock. Next up will be to lube 'em up and develop the loads. I will be using Accurate's new 11FS powder, which is basically H110/W296 with a flash suppressant. Not that a flash suppressant is really needed in a rifle-length barrel because we get pretty complete powder burn, but it'll help in the Super Redhawk, so it's still a plus.

Accurate's data indicates that they used a Remington 2 1/2 primer. This primer appears to be geared for both standard and magnum handgun rounds. Hodgdon has listed them for use with H110 and W296, so the Remington 2 1/2's therefore are pretty hot primers. That tells me that I need to use the magnum Tulammo LPP's for this load. Accurate's data goes up to 30,000 PSI, and they actually list the pressures. The load range goes from 24.2gr powder (1,287 fps) to 28.4gr (1.549 fps), out of the 7.26" barrel, with a max load pressure of 29,041 PSI (piezoelectric, not CUP). This is with the 255gr LSWC. I'm using a 255gr LRNFP, so things should be very similar.
That’s a pissin’ hot load - I’m loading a 255 Gr LSWC over 19.5 gr of H110. I can feel the pressure and heat from that load out of my Blackhawk… fine out of my Henry though.


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INVICTVS138 wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:04 pmThat’s a pissin’ hot load - I’m loading a 255 Gr LSWC over 19.5 gr of H110. I can feel the pressure and heat from that load out of my Blackhawk… fine out of my Henry though.
I thought so, too, looking at the load data. But here it is, straight from Accurate themselves.

255gr LSWC
Min load: 24.2gr, velocity 1,287 fps
Max load: 28.4gr, velocity 1,549 fps, pressure 29,041 PSI
COAL: 1.604"

That just seems like a lot of powder, given 11FS's close relationship to H110/W296.

The max load I'm seeing in Lee's "Modern Reloading" book for H110 is 24.0gr with a 260gr jacketed bullet, with a pressure of 30,100 CUP. I know CUP and PSI usually produce different pressure numbers for the same pressure, but since 24.0gr H110 is the max load with the 260gr jacketed bullet, I'm gonna work my way up with this Accurate 11FS powder. Basically, when I start seeing proper bullet obturation, I'll go up half a grain more and then call it quits, just like I did with my current load using 22.0gr of Alliant 2400. That load produces 1,350 fps out of the 7.5" Super Redhawk barrel.
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If I want a thrill I’ll ride a roller coaster. It lasts longer and is less dangerous than hand-loading super-hot rounds for a hand cannon (for no particular reason).
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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Just got back from testing out several loadings with Accurate 11FS in the Ruger Super Redhawk 454. I start with that revolver because it's the strongest thing I've got in any handgun chambering, and thus it's the safest test bed for any .45 Colt load.

All loadings were with a 255gr LRNFP of BHN 12. They are as follows.
  • 23.2gr (this was by accident, misreading the scale as 24.2, which is what I meant--I decided to try it anyway)
    24.2gr
    25.2gr
    26.2gr
    27.2gr
The primers were Murom (Tulammo) large pistol, standard (not magnum). I'd read that the brisance of the Murom standard primers tended to be more like the Remington and Winchester LPP's, even though Murom makes a LPPM, which I also happen to have. Next load testing will be with the LPPM's to see how much of a difference, if any, there will be.

All loads fired decently. I was a little surprised that the 23.2gr load did as well as it did. However, I did see a few unburned powder flakes at the beginning of the barrel with the 23.2gr and 24.2gr loads. This decreased some once we got to 25.2gr, and it was almost gone by the time we got to 26.2 and 27.2gr. At 26.2gr, the barrel seemed to get swept rather clean by the bullet of anything that was in there. That tells me that bullet obturation was happening best at that powder loading.

Best precision appears to be anywhere between 25.2gr and 26.2gr in this Super Redhawk, with the best overall performance appearing to lean more closely in the 26.2gr direction, inclusive. At 27.2gr, the load of course got a bit stiffer, but I didn't see any increase in precision or a decrease in unburnt powder. We may be at the point of diminishing returns at that powder charge . That may change when I try the loads in the levergun.

Note that the LPP's seemed to hold up well...though the R-P cases showed some burnt powder leakage around the primer pocket. The other cases did not. It appears that Accurate 11FS may be a bit easier to ignite than its H110/W296 parent, because the Murom LPP's ignited every charge that I tried. Even the 23.2gr load did reasonably well, as far as shot precision went.

I realize fully that the LPPM's likely will make a difference as well. LPPM loadings will get tried next, between 24.5gr and 26.0gr...and I will be saving the R-P cases for the standard, SAAMI-spec .45 Colt loads after tonight's results.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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There are several, and Acccurate #5 seems to be Lyman's and Hornady's favorite for SAAMI-spec loads. Checking the Lee book, it looks like Accurate #2 is also pretty decent for Cowboy-Action Shooting loads with a 200gr bullet, similar to Bullseye.

With that said, don't limit yourself only to Accurate-brand powders. Hodgdon Titegroup is another good powder for .45LC, and it was specifically designed to have little to no variance based on position in large cases like .45LC. I use Titegroup as my main powder for SAAMI-spec loads. The cases get a little sooty, but the powder sure works.

Trail Boss is, of course, wonderful for this cartridge...when it's available. These days, that's dicey, but sometimes you can get lucky.

I am surprised to find how available this new Accurate 11FS is. Turns out it's a good powder. I guess people just haven't really discovered it yet; they're still waiting on either 2400 or H110/W296 for their magnum-style handgun loads (e. g. .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum). That's good for me because I can get plenty of this powder! :-) Remember that the magnum revolver cartridges attain entirely different levels of power out of a rifle-length barrel, which really is my primary intended use for them. The .44 Magnum cartridge, for example, is quite capable of delivering more energy to a game animal than even the .30-30 Winchester out to 100 yards, and the .30-30 is a rifle cartridge! Past that, the .30-30 will kick the .44 Magnum's butt, of course, but for East Coast forest hunting, 100 yards is all you generally need, and even that's a long-ish shot, most of the time.

Note also that the .357 Magnum cartridge is quite capable of taking down a deer or even black bear that we see out here east of the Appalachians.

Now, consider a .45 Colt cartridge in a similar lever-action rifle, similarly loaded. Now you've got enough power to cleanly take a moose, and for those in the Northeast, yes, that matters. Also, it would be good medicine for the larger feral hogs, because remember, feral hogs are A.) built like tanks, and B.) can get pretty darn big.

This is the case for such loadings in revolver cartridges. And yes, I do intend at some point to hunt feral hogs. Organic pork is actually very good, and good for you, properly cooked.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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CowboyT wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:13 pm
I am surprised to find how available this new Accurate 11FS is. Turns out it's a good powder. I guess people just haven't really discovered it yet; they're still waiting on either 2400 or H110/W296 for their magnum-style handgun loads (e. g. .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum). That's good for me because I can get plenty of this powder! :-)
I see H110 everywhere; and I’ve laid in a a decent stock. It’s 2400 that I prefer - and cannot find. I’ll have to see if accurate 11FS is around?

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tonguengroover wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:43 am Are there feral hogs in SanFran now?
Yes, they're called politicians in polite company. :-)

Seriously, though, no, but there are in Virginia. The case is definitely there for the magnum revolver rounds in a levergun.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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CDFingers wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:40 am Unless loaded with 158gr JHP's, I'd hesitate to use the .357 on something as large as a deer. I believe hunters should pursue the ethical kill. It would die, but maybe not right away.

CDFingers
I agree. My minimum bullet weight for any sort of "big game" hunting, such as deer, is 158gr, and I also have a 170gr Keith-style bullet loading for .357M.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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INVICTVS138 wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:23 pm
CowboyT wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:13 pm
I am surprised to find how available this new Accurate 11FS is. Turns out it's a good powder. I guess people just haven't really discovered it yet; they're still waiting on either 2400 or H110/W296 for their magnum-style handgun loads (e. g. .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum). That's good for me because I can get plenty of this powder! :-)
I see H110 everywhere; and I’ve laid in a a decent stock. It’s 2400 that I prefer - and cannot find. I’ll have to see if accurate 11FS is around?
2400 is my traditional powder for the .45 Colt Magnum loading. Same goes for .357M and .44M. It's been a great powder for years, and it remains excellent and very versatile.

Accurate 11FS at the moment is available at MidwayUSA. If I recall, it was on sale last I looked.
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Re: Finally joined the Henry Big Boy club (.45 Colt)

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Finally got a chance to take it to the range. I used 27.0gr of Accurate 11FS and a LPPM underneath a 255gr cast boolit, lubed with Liquid Alox. The rifle itself seems to take this load just fine, and I know the load itself to be precise enough of a shooter out of the 7.5" bbl Super Redhawk. However, the bullets are not punching the paper with the precision that I would normally expect of a rifle. I know, leverguns are 2-3 MOA devices, but this was 1.5" to 2" spreads at 21 yards. That's not what I would expect.

"Pattern" sizes started about 4" at 21 yards. First thing, I found that the scope was loose, so I tightened it down. OK, that should improve things. Yeah, but that's what brought the pattern size down to 1.5" to 2" at the same distance. What I should've done was prove the rifle with the iron sights before I stuck a riflescope on there. I doubt it's the scope, since the scope is a Zeiss Conquest. So, I'm going to pull the scope and the mount off of there and take the rifle to the range tomorrow, this time trying things with the irons.

I can report that the load was pretty comfortable to shoot through the rifle. Sure, it kicks a bit, but it's definitely not a shoulder-buster out of the long gun.

The rifle will get a good cleaning at the first opportunity and examined for any issues.
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