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What the orange blog doesn't get, is that even if, by some miracle, those SCIF level documents ARE "declassified" as he was leaving the WH, he STILL violated the Presidential Records Act by taking them. He STOLE them!

And, no, Obama didn't take 33 million classified documents. He was totally compliant.

And no, the Clintons' didn't face a search warrant because of favoritism, but rather because they did NOT ignore the National Archives requests, subpoenas, or other demands for return of documents.

Unlike Trump who IGNORED the subpoena, had his attorneys LIE about what documents weren't returned, and escalated the situation until a search warrant NEEDED to be requested (Approved by Attorney General Garland, without President Biden's knowledge, approval, or disapproval), signed off on by a Federal Judge, and executed as discretely as possible.

And, despite "King Donald" believing tha this word is absolute law, above even the Constitution, no, the POTUS cannot simply declassify documents implicitly, and some, particularly related to nuclear weapons, he can only REQUEST they be declassified.

To what end did Trump want such incredibly sensitive data? What was he, as former President, going to do with it? Other former Presidents are frequently consulted by the current one, but there is No Way In Hell, that Biden would EVER seek Trump's counsel. Even JFK sought Eisenhower's advice. There's only one rational reason the irrational, moral-less Trump would keep such documents: He intended to use them for his own advantage, and FUCK the potential damage to the nation. He already brought 2 of the worst possible people into the Oval Office, the Russian Ambassador and the Russian Foreign Minister, both of whom are FAR smarter and far more savvy in information gathering than he ever could be. He's a traitor, through and through, the shithead who called the men who died in Normandy "suckers and losers".
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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CDFingers wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:04 am TRE45ON

Saw it on reddit.

CDFingers
Like that!
And, no, Obama didn't take 33 million classified documents. He was totally compliant.
Scary..trump outright lies about President Obama, on his 'truth social', of all things, but his lemmings, crusaders, cult members will believe this and probably be parroted by assholes like carlson, hannity and ingraham....

Also a thinly veiled threat, 'turn down the heat on ME or bad things will happen'...another J6 insurrection? Arrest of trump and he WILL call on his followers to come rescue him..show 'America' true patriotism..what crap.
There's only one rational reason the irrational, moral-less Trump would keep such documents: He intended to use them for his own advantage, and FUCK the potential damage to the nation. He already brought 2 of the worst possible people into the Oval Office, the Russian Ambassador and the Russian Foreign Minister, both of whom are FAR smarter and far more savvy in information gathering than he ever could be. He's a traitor, through and through, the shithead who called the men who died in Normandy "suckers and losers".
He kept this stuff for personal gain. Either to hurt his 'rivals', prevent embarrassing stuff to get out or to sell/give to possible BFF...MBS, Putin?
I am sure, once these documents are reviewed and then looking at 'intel' about russia/SA/Israel, pretty easy to draw a straight lie from trump's stolen documents and intel seen about russia.

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Article III, Section 3: Treason
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
That's Trump, giving Aid and Comfort to our enemies, right there in the Oval Office!
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"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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The only additional points of interest for me in this whole thing will be if/when someone is actually charged and arrested, and whatever the final verdict is.

Though I realize the media is desperate to get every single click and eyeball possible, those are the only two additional stories I would be interested in reading about this situation.

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The Justice Department is opposing the release of details in an affidavit that lays out the argument that investigators made to a federal magistrate judge explaining the probable cause it had to search former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate last week. In their new filing arguing for some continued secrecy, the Justice Department made clear the seriousness of the ongoing criminal investigation, saying it "implicates highly classified materials." "Disclosure of the government's affidavit at this stage would also likely chill future cooperation by witnesses whose assistance may be sought as this investigation progresses, as well as in other high-profile investigations," the Justice Department wrote. "The fact that this investigation implicates highly classified materials further underscores the need to protect the integrity of the investigation and exacerbates the potential harm if information is disclosed to the public prematurely or improperly."

Media organizations, including CNN, had asked for the affidavit to be unsealed after the search last week at Trump's Palm Beach, Florida, club and residence. The Justice Department said in its filing that disclosing the affidavit details "at this juncture" would "cause significant and irreparable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation." "The redactions necessary to mitigate harms to the integrity of the investigation would be so extensive as to render the remaining unsealed text devoid of meaningful content, and the release of such a redacted version would not serve any public interest," the Justice Department stated.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/15/politics ... index.html

It should stay sealed until DOJ decides if and who they will prosecute or they decide not to prosecute anyone.

Donald Trump not being able to identify a possible informer within his organization is driving the former president "nuts," according to a former federal prosecutor. Trump's Florida home, Mar-a-Lago, was raided by the FBI on August 8 investigating a potential breach of the Espionage Act and other alleged crimes. Agents seized 11 sets of classified documents from the property and removed 20 boxes of material. Two senior government officials told Newsweek that intelligence for the raid was provided by a confidential human source, or informant, based within Trump's team.

On his Truth Social website, Trump demanded the release of the "completely unredacted" affidavit that was used to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid. He wrote: "In the interests of TRANSPARENCY, I call for the immediate release of the completely Unredacted Affidavit pertaining to this horrible and shocking BREAK-IN." This was rejected by the Department of Justice (DOJ), which said publishing the document would "cause significant and irreparable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation." The DOJ added that the affidavit contains "highly sensitive information about witnesses" who are involved with the case.

On Twitter, Ron Filipkowski, a former federal prosecutor turned expert on the American right, suggested that Trump wants the affidavit released in the hope it helps him identify an informant. He reposted Trump's message, adding: "Let me translate this. It is absolutely driving him nuts that he can't figure out who the informant is, and he wants an unredacted affidavit that could give him clues to figure it out. His lawyers will get one after he is indicted, just like everyone else in America."

Last week, Rolling Stone reported Trump's inner circle is hunting a suspected "rat" within their midst, with the former president asking whether visiting Republicans were "wearing a wire." Two sources close to the investigation told Newsweek that the raid was aimed at recovering top secret documents containing intelligence "sources and methods," which could potentially include human sources working for the United States Government.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-driven-n ... bi-1734050

Sources and methods are highly protected.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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On Friday, Mr. Trump’s office claimed that when he was president, he had a “standing order” that materials “removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,” according to a statement read on Fox News by a right-wing writer Mr. Trump has designated as one of his representatives to the National Archives. Apart from whether there is any evidence that such an order actually existed, the notion has been greeted with disdain by national security legal specialists. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, pronounced the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — “preposterous.”

The claim is also irrelevant to Mr. Trump’s potential troubles over the document matter, because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.
The legal basis for the classification system comes from the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief. Presidents have established and developed it through a series of executive orders dating to the era encompassing World War II and the early Cold War. The current directive, Executive Order 13526, was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.
For the most part, the classification system is about bureaucratic controls. The main punishment for disobedience is administrative: Officials can be admonished, lose their security clearances and be fired.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/p ... ments.html

The whole system should be codified in federal statutes, not only in administrative actions. The system is rife for abuse like it was in the Trump administration.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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The Question of why did he want to keep the documents, I posted earlier in this thread the answer. TOS is like a seven year old boy that is a pack rat. He has to keep what he thinks makes him important/cool in the eyes of others. He has been this way for most of his life. His need to impress shows in the gaudy overblown glitz and glamour of his buildings. Just so he can brag about how much better his stuff and he is than other people. He can't stand to have anybody look better than him and when someone does look better he attacks viciously with the name calling of "Loser" and other derogatory names and statements. This behavior you would normally see with boys about seven years old on the school playground. He is definitely a hedonistic narcissistic bully, that has had is way most of his life.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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He wanted to sell or barter them, or he'd already sold/bartered and did not want evidence left behind. I find it most unfortunate that being extruded through a key hole via air pressure would be deemed cruel and unusual punishment.

CDFingers
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There are things we can replace, and others we cannot.
Time has come to weigh those things--this space is getting hot. You know this space is getting hot.

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You should write a short story about that, GG! I’d love to read such a story.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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I’m a firm believer of human ability to project their story out into consensual reality. The idea of clearly visualizing the world as we would collectively like to experience. That was the basis of the Civil Rights Movement...

Tell us, GG, what is your Dream?
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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All the different versions of what happened and all the chin music is just what he always does--flood the zone with nonsense. "Believe me! They're not after me. They're after you!" I wonder whether that will work for how long?

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Message to turd mofo - believe me when I say YOU ARE the target they are after and Zeus willing your orange ass is in deep doo doo - you traitorous bastard !!
"Being Republican is more than a difference of opinion - it's a character flaw." "COVID can fix STUPID!"
The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made in USA was electing DJT as POTUS.

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Just another reason why TOS kept the documents.
'Leverage': Here's why Trump may have refused to return classified documents

On Tuesday's edition of MSNBC's "The ReidOut," former FBI agent Peter Strzok highlighted one of the most incriminating aspects of the investigation into former President Donald Trump's hoarding of classified information at his Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida.
"I think there's going to be turn out to be, one, highly, highly classified information, but, two, things that aren't just things he found neat," said Strzok. "I would be surprised if there weren't things that furthered his business interest, things he could use as leverage over people, things he could use to settle the scores. The biggest question in my mind is why on earth, having been told repeatedly by so many people, that he steadfastly refused to turn these things over and instead carried them all away. You know, I hope DOJ is content now with the FBI that they have recovered everything, but we're talking about a massive amount of information."
https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-doc/
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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Peter Strzok former FBI supervisory special agent.
Strzok, one of the most notorious FBI officials in history, wants to rehabilitate himself. But he leaves out parts of the story about which most readers probably are most curious — including his relationship with former FBI lawyer Lisa Page. Strzok and Page carried on an extramarital affair even as they worked at the core of some of the FBI's biggest cases.

They exchanged thousands of messages via their FBI-provided mobile phones, some of which "expressed political opinions about candidates and issues involved in the 2016 presidential election, including statements of hostility" toward Donald Trump "and statements of support for" for Hillary Clinton, as the Justice Department's inspector general wrote. Flip to Page 400 of your copy of the IG report for this example, in which Strzok wrote to Page: "Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support...."
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/90801692 ... m-at-trump

Civil servants can vote for whoever they like, but in performing their duties they must be non-partisan. Strzok was a partisan and his texts revealed it.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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TrueTexan wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:10 am Just another reason why TOS kept the documents.
'Leverage': Here's why Trump may have refused to return classified documents

On Tuesday's edition of MSNBC's "The ReidOut," former FBI agent Peter Strzok highlighted one of the most incriminating aspects of the investigation into former President Donald Trump's hoarding of classified information at his Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida.
"I think there's going to be turn out to be, one, highly, highly classified information, but, two, things that aren't just things he found neat," said Strzok. "I would be surprised if there weren't things that furthered his business interest, things he could use as leverage over people, things he could use to settle the scores. The biggest question in my mind is why on earth,
having been told repeatedly by so many people, that he steadfastly refused to turn these things over and instead carried them all away.
You know, I hope DOJ is content now with the FBI that they have recovered everything, but we're talking about a massive amount of information."
https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-doc/
‘It’s not theirs, it’s mine’: Trump resisted advisers’ calls to return White House documents
Indictment soon please.

TRE45ON

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I’ve been out doing “field research” in the hinterlands of Eastern Oregon. People there are not all crazy. But they do feel “left behind” by the economy and culture as a whole. They feel disrespected and undervalued. It’s not exactly what you would expect given the bluster and threats of violence. Our country is not really as “irrevocable” as the media plays it out to be (to sell advertisements). But those same media outlets are affecting people’s perceptions in the absence of wider education and real contact with fellow Americans from the outside their lonely lives.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Bisbee wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:32 pm I’ve been out doing “field research” in the hinterlands of Eastern Oregon. People there are not all crazy. But they do feel “left behind” by the economy and culture as a whole. They feel disrespected and undervalued. It’s not exactly what you would expect given the bluster and threats of violence. Our country is not really as “irrevocable” as the media plays it out to be (to sell advertisements). But those same media outlets are affecting people’s perceptions in the absence of wider education and real contact with fellow Americans from the outside their lonely lives.
Yes, rural America is conservative but they are not all Trumpers. The media represents the blue coasts as featureless said and they feel threatened so they want everyone to feel the same way. The blue coasts are very provincial, they think they're the center of the world.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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A redacted copy of part of the affidavit/application for the warrant was released.
The search is related to a violation of:
18 U.S.C. § 793 Willful retention of national defense information
18 U.S.C. § 2071 Concealment or removal of government records
18 U.S.C. § 1519 Obstruction of federal investigation
The United States further requests that, pursuant to this Court's procedures for Highly Sensitive documents, all documents associated with this investigation not be filed on the Court's electronic docket because filing these materials on the electronic docket poses a 1isk to safety given the sensitive nature of the material contained therein.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 4.57.0.pdf

The judge plans to hear more from the Justice Department by next week about how extensively investigators want to keep confidential the document that describes their investigative steps and methods leading to the need for the search.

Reinhart said he wasn't convinced yet that the entire affidavit should remain undisclosed to the public. "I'm not prepared to find that the affidavit should be fully sealed" based on the record he has now, Reinhart said, adding that there are "portions" that could be unsealed.

Prosecutors will have the opportunity to propose redactions and explain why each piece of information needs to be kept from the public eye, Reinhart said. Those proposals will be due on August 25.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/politics ... index.html
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