Re: FBI Raids Trump/Mar-A-Lago!
151Unfortunately as noted earlier, many in this country believe this is a politically motivated witch hunt. No jail time and an even more divided nation.
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Scary..trump outright lies about President Obama, on his 'truth social', of all things, but his lemmings, crusaders, cult members will believe this and probably be parroted by assholes like carlson, hannity and ingraham....And, no, Obama didn't take 33 million classified documents. He was totally compliant.
He kept this stuff for personal gain. Either to hurt his 'rivals', prevent embarrassing stuff to get out or to sell/give to possible BFF...MBS, Putin?There's only one rational reason the irrational, moral-less Trump would keep such documents: He intended to use them for his own advantage, and FUCK the potential damage to the nation. He already brought 2 of the worst possible people into the Oval Office, the Russian Ambassador and the Russian Foreign Minister, both of whom are FAR smarter and far more savvy in information gathering than he ever could be. He's a traitor, through and through, the shithead who called the men who died in Normandy "suckers and losers".
That's Trump, giving Aid and Comfort to our enemies, right there in the Oval Office!Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/15/politics ... index.htmlThe Justice Department is opposing the release of details in an affidavit that lays out the argument that investigators made to a federal magistrate judge explaining the probable cause it had to search former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate last week. In their new filing arguing for some continued secrecy, the Justice Department made clear the seriousness of the ongoing criminal investigation, saying it "implicates highly classified materials." "Disclosure of the government's affidavit at this stage would also likely chill future cooperation by witnesses whose assistance may be sought as this investigation progresses, as well as in other high-profile investigations," the Justice Department wrote. "The fact that this investigation implicates highly classified materials further underscores the need to protect the integrity of the investigation and exacerbates the potential harm if information is disclosed to the public prematurely or improperly."
Media organizations, including CNN, had asked for the affidavit to be unsealed after the search last week at Trump's Palm Beach, Florida, club and residence. The Justice Department said in its filing that disclosing the affidavit details "at this juncture" would "cause significant and irreparable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation." "The redactions necessary to mitigate harms to the integrity of the investigation would be so extensive as to render the remaining unsealed text devoid of meaningful content, and the release of such a redacted version would not serve any public interest," the Justice Department stated.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-driven-n ... bi-1734050Donald Trump not being able to identify a possible informer within his organization is driving the former president "nuts," according to a former federal prosecutor. Trump's Florida home, Mar-a-Lago, was raided by the FBI on August 8 investigating a potential breach of the Espionage Act and other alleged crimes. Agents seized 11 sets of classified documents from the property and removed 20 boxes of material. Two senior government officials told Newsweek that intelligence for the raid was provided by a confidential human source, or informant, based within Trump's team.
On his Truth Social website, Trump demanded the release of the "completely unredacted" affidavit that was used to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid. He wrote: "In the interests of TRANSPARENCY, I call for the immediate release of the completely Unredacted Affidavit pertaining to this horrible and shocking BREAK-IN." This was rejected by the Department of Justice (DOJ), which said publishing the document would "cause significant and irreparable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation." The DOJ added that the affidavit contains "highly sensitive information about witnesses" who are involved with the case.
On Twitter, Ron Filipkowski, a former federal prosecutor turned expert on the American right, suggested that Trump wants the affidavit released in the hope it helps him identify an informant. He reposted Trump's message, adding: "Let me translate this. It is absolutely driving him nuts that he can't figure out who the informant is, and he wants an unredacted affidavit that could give him clues to figure it out. His lawyers will get one after he is indicted, just like everyone else in America."
Last week, Rolling Stone reported Trump's inner circle is hunting a suspected "rat" within their midst, with the former president asking whether visiting Republicans were "wearing a wire." Two sources close to the investigation told Newsweek that the raid was aimed at recovering top secret documents containing intelligence "sources and methods," which could potentially include human sources working for the United States Government.
On Friday, Mr. Trump’s office claimed that when he was president, he had a “standing order” that materials “removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,” according to a statement read on Fox News by a right-wing writer Mr. Trump has designated as one of his representatives to the National Archives. Apart from whether there is any evidence that such an order actually existed, the notion has been greeted with disdain by national security legal specialists. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, pronounced the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — “preposterous.”
The claim is also irrelevant to Mr. Trump’s potential troubles over the document matter, because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.
The legal basis for the classification system comes from the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief. Presidents have established and developed it through a series of executive orders dating to the era encompassing World War II and the early Cold War. The current directive, Executive Order 13526, was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/p ... ments.htmlFor the most part, the classification system is about bureaucratic controls. The main punishment for disobedience is administrative: Officials can be admonished, lose their security clearances and be fired.
I write fiction and I desperately want the story of Trump's charge, arrest, and subsequent conviction to be reality.Bisbee wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:54 pm You should write a short story about that, GG! I’d love to read such a story.
'Leverage': Here's why Trump may have refused to return classified documents
On Tuesday's edition of MSNBC's "The ReidOut," former FBI agent Peter Strzok highlighted one of the most incriminating aspects of the investigation into former President Donald Trump's hoarding of classified information at his Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida.
https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-doc/"I think there's going to be turn out to be, one, highly, highly classified information, but, two, things that aren't just things he found neat," said Strzok. "I would be surprised if there weren't things that furthered his business interest, things he could use as leverage over people, things he could use to settle the scores. The biggest question in my mind is why on earth, having been told repeatedly by so many people, that he steadfastly refused to turn these things over and instead carried them all away. You know, I hope DOJ is content now with the FBI that they have recovered everything, but we're talking about a massive amount of information."
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/90801692 ... m-at-trumpStrzok, one of the most notorious FBI officials in history, wants to rehabilitate himself. But he leaves out parts of the story about which most readers probably are most curious — including his relationship with former FBI lawyer Lisa Page. Strzok and Page carried on an extramarital affair even as they worked at the core of some of the FBI's biggest cases.
They exchanged thousands of messages via their FBI-provided mobile phones, some of which "expressed political opinions about candidates and issues involved in the 2016 presidential election, including statements of hostility" toward Donald Trump "and statements of support for" for Hillary Clinton, as the Justice Department's inspector general wrote. Flip to Page 400 of your copy of the IG report for this example, in which Strzok wrote to Page: "Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support...."
TrueTexan wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:10 am Just another reason why TOS kept the documents.
'Leverage': Here's why Trump may have refused to return classified documents
On Tuesday's edition of MSNBC's "The ReidOut," former FBI agent Peter Strzok highlighted one of the most incriminating aspects of the investigation into former President Donald Trump's hoarding of classified information at his Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida.https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-doc/"I think there's going to be turn out to be, one, highly, highly classified information, but, two, things that aren't just things he found neat," said Strzok. "I would be surprised if there weren't things that furthered his business interest, things he could use as leverage over people, things he could use to settle the scores. The biggest question in my mind is why on earth,You know, I hope DOJ is content now with the FBI that they have recovered everything, but we're talking about a massive amount of information."having been told repeatedly by so many people, that he steadfastly refused to turn these things over and instead carried them all away.
Indictment soon please.‘It’s not theirs, it’s mine’: Trump resisted advisers’ calls to return White House documents
Yup. And that's a big problem with no real solution. I fear we're not far off from fisticuffs.sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:06 am Unfortunately as noted earlier, many in this country believe this is a politically motivated witch hunt. No jail time and an even more divided nation.
Yes, rural America is conservative but they are not all Trumpers. The media represents the blue coasts as featureless said and they feel threatened so they want everyone to feel the same way. The blue coasts are very provincial, they think they're the center of the world.Bisbee wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:32 pm I’ve been out doing “field research” in the hinterlands of Eastern Oregon. People there are not all crazy. But they do feel “left behind” by the economy and culture as a whole. They feel disrespected and undervalued. It’s not exactly what you would expect given the bluster and threats of violence. Our country is not really as “irrevocable” as the media plays it out to be (to sell advertisements). But those same media outlets are affecting people’s perceptions in the absence of wider education and real contact with fellow Americans from the outside their lonely lives.
The search is related to a violation of:
18 U.S.C. § 793 Willful retention of national defense information
18 U.S.C. § 2071 Concealment or removal of government records
18 U.S.C. § 1519 Obstruction of federal investigation
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 4.57.0.pdfThe United States further requests that, pursuant to this Court's procedures for Highly Sensitive documents, all documents associated with this investigation not be filed on the Court's electronic docket because filing these materials on the electronic docket poses a 1isk to safety given the sensitive nature of the material contained therein.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/politics ... index.htmlThe judge plans to hear more from the Justice Department by next week about how extensively investigators want to keep confidential the document that describes their investigative steps and methods leading to the need for the search.
Reinhart said he wasn't convinced yet that the entire affidavit should remain undisclosed to the public. "I'm not prepared to find that the affidavit should be fully sealed" based on the record he has now, Reinhart said, adding that there are "portions" that could be unsealed.
Prosecutors will have the opportunity to propose redactions and explain why each piece of information needs to be kept from the public eye, Reinhart said. Those proposals will be due on August 25.
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