Re: Alleged shooter at elementary school in Uvalde, Texas in custody
126Boy, those cops sure are having a tough time coming up with a coherent story. Lots of finger pointing and no accountability. No wonder they are requesting police protection...
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News. The Uvalde police chief and a spokesperson for the Uvalde Independent School District did not immediately respond to requests for comment from ABC News.
According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-police ... d=85093405Reached by ABC News, a spokesperson for the Texas Department of Public Safety said, "The Uvalde Police Department and Uvalde CISD Police have been cooperating with investigators. The chief of the Uvalde CISD Police provided an initial interview but has not responded to a request for a follow-up interview with the Texas Rangers that was made two days ago."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tex ... ABIIACAw==Texas authorities: Teacher did not leave door propped open before shooter entered school; door was closed, did not lock.
Whereas members of conservative firearm forums will call for hardening schools to the extent we harden courthouses and federal facilities to protect those deemed more important than the masses, there will be a preference here among some for banning private sales without government involvement or banning sales of intermediate semi-auto carbines to those under 21--"takings" as you called them. It's best not to expect people to share your views on any site.AdministrativeReload wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 8:07 amSince abortion and the 2nd are completely unrelated, how about doing voting next?
Throwing up impediments to a right only because you are mad about impediments to another right does not kinda make sense.
There is something to chew on. Thank you for posting that. It is too bad that is the only example of something productive in this thread, though there are more than enough posts about takings being the answer. This shooting would not have been prevented by universal background checks, people.sig230 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 2:26 pm The solution is the same that it has always been.
What needs to be done is simple.
First, get rid of all of the mega-schools, put schools back in the neighborhood and small enough that every teacher knows every student by name and no class has more than a dozen kids. But that means no big football stadium. And smaller classes mean more teachers and that means higher taxes.
Second, start active discipline at the earliest stages. If a child is a bully or disruptive then the child gets sent home and provided true counseling. But there is no one at home and both parents (when there is two parents) are working and won't get paid so can't come home.
Third federalize drugs and provide them for free in neighborhood health clinics. But the WAR on DRUGS!
Fourth enact universal health care. But if that happens the drug companies will all stop researching cures. After all no other country makes medicines.
Fifth stop glorifying violence and shooting. But John Wick and Reacher...
Sixth, bring back shooting sports in the middle and upper grades. What, teach kids to shoot?
Seventh, support unionization and narrowing the gap between rich and poor. Make a two income family a choice rather than necessity. But that's SOCIALISM!
And understand that it took about fifty years to screw stuff up this much so it will take another half century or more to fix it.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/uvalde- ... b53b7e7f3dUvalde School Police Chief Joins City Council As Texas Officials Seek Interviews On Massacre
Pete Arredondo, the former school police chief criticized for deadly delays in the response to last week’s school massacre, was officially sworn in as a City Council member Tuesday, the office of Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin announced, while earlier in the day state law enforcement officials said he has failed to respond to their interview requests in the investigation of the school shooting.
The mayor had initially postponed the swearing-in ceremony out of respect for the victims’ families, according to NBC News, but instead held it without the public ceremony. Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council earlier this year.
The Texas school police chief criticized for his actions during one of the deadliest classroom shootings in U.S. history said in his first extensive comments since the massacre, published Thursday, that he didn't consider himself the person in charge as it unfolded and assumed someone else had taken control of the law enforcement response.
Pete Arredondo, 50, the police chief of the Uvalde school district, also told The Texas Tribune he intentionally left behind both his police and campus radios before entering Robb Elementary School. An 18-year-old gunman killed 19 children and two teachers behind a locked classroom door the chief said was reinforced with a steel jamb and couldn't be kicked in.
Separately, The New York Times reported Thursday that documents show police waited for protective equipment as they delayed entering the campus, even as they became aware that some victims needed medical treatment.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-arred ... -response/Steven McCraw, the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, has said the school police chief, who he described as the incident commander, made the "wrong decision" to not order officers to breach the classroom more quickly to confront the gunman. But Arredondo, who told the Tribune he believed carrying radios would slow him down as he entered the school and that he knew that radios didn't work in some school buildings, said he never considered himself the scene's incident commander and didn't give any instruction that police shouldn't attempt to breach the building. "I didn't issue any orders," Arredondo said. "I called for assistance and asked for an extraction tool to open the door."
Yup and the pony will be busy today, a rally in DC. They bring out another catchy phrase "March For Our Lives" and silhouettes of little children. Like their "Protecting our Children Act" passed by the House, reminds me of Republicans infamous "Patriot Act".sig230 wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:24 am Unfortunately, as long as people come to watch the one trick pony the pony will keep doing the same trick over and over.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/uvalde- ... 94c1d65bc4Texas Lawmaker: Uvalde Police Agree To Cooperate With Probe
UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Police in Uvalde agreed Friday to speak to a Texas House committee investigating the May 24 massacre at an elementary school, according to a Republican lawmaker leading the probe who had begun to publicly question why the officers were not cooperating sooner.
“Took a little bit longer than we initially had expected,” state Rep. Dustin Burrows said.
featureless wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:18 pm "abject failure." Massive fuckups being reported. Door to classroom never locked, cops never tried it, cops had shields and rifles in the hallway. Lies and more lies from the police force.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna33906
The shootings by Salvador Ramos were horrendous but the lies and coverups by law enforcement at the scene are even worse. Arredondo and other law enforcement officials totally missed the lessons of Columbine and should be fired and investigated.The admission from Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw, made at a state Senate committee hearing investigating last month’s mass killing, was another stunning addition to the list of failures he has acknowledged since the Robb Elementary School shooting.
"We do know this, there's compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we've learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre," he told lawmakers.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61877914There were enough police on the scene of the Uvalde, Texas school shooting to have stopped the gunman three minutes after he entered the building, Texas's public safety chief has testified. Steven McCraw told a state Senate hearing the police response was an "abject failure". He accused the on-scene commander of placing officers' lives above the children's. Police waited for over an hour outside classrooms before a team made entry.
Mr McCraw, Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS), told the public hearing: "The officers had weapons, the children had none. The officers had body armour, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes, and eight seconds - that is how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued. "Three minutes after the subject entered the west building, there was a sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armour to isolate, distract and neutralise the subject."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/us/uvald ... index.htmlUvalde school district police chief Pedro "Pete" Arredondo was placed on leave Wednesday, according to a news release from Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Superintendent Hal Harrell. "Because of the lack of clarity that remains and the unknown timing of when I will receive the results of the investigations, I have made the decision to place Chief Arredondo on administrative leave effective on this date," Harrell wrote in the announcement to the media.
Saying he was frustrated by a consistent lack of information from state officials, Uvalde's mayor lashed out during and after a City Council meeting Tuesday night, declaring that "the gloves are off" shortly after state senators were given an in-depth report on last month's school shooting. Mayor Don McLaughlin said he and other local officials have been told to keep quiet about the shooting and the law enforcement response while multiple investigations continue, which is why it was difficult to watch Steve McCraw, head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, spend several hours briefing senators during a public hearing at the Capitol. "They can go to Austin and have public deals to talk about it ... and not share a damn thing with this city or anybody in this community, and that's wrong. That's totally wrong," McLaughlin said.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/20 ... 696222001/The mayor also accused McCraw of presenting a biased picture of the shooting by failing to acknowledge that 14 DPS officers were in the school hallway while the gunman was barricaded in a classroom for more than an hour.
McCraw said local police should have confronted the gunman when they arrived on the scene. Instead, the incident commander, identified by McCraw as Uvalde school district Police Chief Pete Arredondo, "decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children" and held back law enforcement from breaching the classroom and killing the gunman. Nineteen fourth graders and their two teachers were killed.
"What kind of farce do you have in Austin today?" McLaughlin said. "We had the Bozo the Clown show in the Senate today with, you know, McCraw parading out there and giving answers that they still don't have the facts to."
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