US Military firearms keep showing up on the black market

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In the first public accounting of its kind in decades, an Associated Press investigation has found that at least 1,900 U.S. military firearms were lost or stolen during the 2010s, with some resurfacing in violent crimes. Because some armed services have suppressed the release of basic information, AP’s total is a certain undercount.

Government records covering the Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Air Force show pistols, machine guns, shotguns and automatic assault rifles have vanished from armories, supply warehouses, Navy warships, firing ranges and other places where they were used, stored or transported. These weapons of war disappeared because of unlocked doors, sleeping troops, a surveillance system that didn’t record, break-ins and other security lapses that, until now, have not been publicly reported.

While AP’s focus was firearms, military explosives also were lost or stolen, including armor-piercing grenades that ended up in an Atlanta backyard.

Weapon theft or loss spanned the military’s global footprint, touching installations from coast to coast, as well as overseas. In Afghanistan, someone cut the padlock on an Army container and stole 65 Beretta M9s -- the same type of gun recovered in Albany. The theft went undetected for at least two weeks, when empty pistol boxes were discovered in the compound. The weapons were not recovered.

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Well I'm not surprised, if the linked article on gang members in the military is correct. We end up with better trained criminals.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi- ... s-military
Gang members have been signing up with the United States Armed Forces, posing a "significant criminal threat" to law enforcement, according to a report by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

"Gang infiltration of the military continues to pose a significant criminal threat, as members of at least 53 gangs have been identified on both domestic and international military installations," the report says, resulting in American gang graffiti in Iraq, among other things.

Every branch of the military contains some gang members, the FBI reported, but most gang members join the Army, the Army Reserves, and the U.S. National Guard. And gang member enlistment doesn't require a sinister intention. "Many street gang members join the military to escape the gang lifestyle," says the FBI, while others join at the behest of a court "as an alternative to incarceration."

But the military sometimes proves a bad environment for gang members, who "often revert back to their gang associations once they encounter other gang members in the military."
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OH NOES THEM SCARY COLORED FOLKS ARE JOINING UP AND GETTING ACCES TO GUNZZ!!!

The Dog Whistles are strong with this one......who wrote this, a David Duke disciple?

Having actually been in the military, if you get issued a firearm, then unless you're in a war zone, you have to check it in at the end of when you're done using it. The only military personnel who carry around firearms are the MP's (in the Air Force, SP's), and after their duty shift, the firearms and ammo are turned in and the ammo counted. That's how it was in the Air Force since the late 1980's; it may have been different before then.

If a gang member joins the military, it can help that person get out of the gang lifestyle, and that is a very good thing. Too bad the article barely touches on it and instead emphasizes a "threat" aspect.
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Now, as to why actual military guns are showing up on the black market...well, thank you for that, Eric "Fast 'N' Furious" Holder! You, sir, should be in jail for that, along with anyone else who took part in it. Thank you also, drug cartels who offer Mexican police officers plenty of money to join the cartel and bring their issued M-16 rifles with them.
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Since the FBI and the military itself says there is a gang presence in the military not sure you can say it’s all about kkk type people being afraid of minorities in the military. Frankly, I didn’t even think in terms of color, simply that there has been reports that gang members join the military.

https://www.stripes.com/news/fbi-says-u ... ch-1.57718

I’m simply saying if gangs regardless of ethnic origin are in the military it stands to reason some may be involved in illegal activities while in the armed forces. Stealing guns probably is not extremely difficult if one knows the layout. Don’t read everything as a color issue. There are plenty of “white” criminal or others in our country. You do recall there is an Italian mafia, a Russian one and so on all operating in the borders of our country.
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CowboyT wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:54 pm Now, as to why actual military guns are showing up on the black market...well, thank you for that, Eric "Fast 'N' Furious" Holder! You, sir, should be in jail for that, along with anyone else who took part in it. Thank you also, drug cartels who offer Mexican police officers plenty of money to join the cartel and bring their issued M-16 rifles with them.
No doubt this could play into it as well. Just this morning on the news there was a story about one convicted spy being held in Russia. My wife and I googled info on him and it seems he was dismissed from the US military for trying to steal or having stolen 10k US dollars. My suspicion is he was up to trying to make money on the side in Russia by stealing information and selling it. Before anyone decides to jump on the Russian legal system can’t be trusted bandwagon, I’ll point out that is highly prejudicial. Americans break laws in other countries as well as here. Now to your fast and furious, this guy could just as well have been a US spy with a convenient cover. Still, it doesn’t diminish or eliminate the possibility of gang infiltration. It could be any of the cases mentioned or all of them to some degree.
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Read Llew's article, gang. It isn't about gangs or race-baiting white suburbanites on gun control. It's about rampant failures in accounting, inventory control, and government transparency. It doesn't say one word about regulating civilian arms, pro or anti.

I suppose there's a 2A fundamentalist libertarian-socialist position that might argue "my taxes paid for those guns, they're public property," but me? I'm appalled. Doesn't matter whether the weapons end up in the hands of violent criminals, unscrupulous collectors, or foreign forces - it's theft and abuse of a position of public trust.

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wings wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:29 pm Read Llew's article, gang. It isn't about gangs or race-baiting white suburbanites on gun control. It's about rampant failures in accounting, inventory control, and government transparency. It doesn't say one word about regulating civilian arms, pro or anti.

I suppose there's a 2A fundamentalist libertarian-socialist position that might argue "my taxes paid for those guns, they're public property," but me? I'm appalled. Doesn't matter whether the weapons end up in the hands of violent criminals, unscrupulous collectors, or foreign forces - it's theft and abuse of a position of public trust.

Yes the article is about accountability. AP filed a FOIA request in 2012 so this spans Democratic and Republican administrations. The military doesn't want to get bashed by congress and jeopardize their funding. War theatres are a likely area of loss - from arsenals to overseas locations...
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sikacz wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:16 pm Since the FBI and the military itself says there is a gang presence in the military not sure you can say it’s all about kkk type people being afraid of minorities in the military. Frankly, I didn’t even think in terms of color, simply that there has been reports that gang members join the military.

https://www.stripes.com/news/fbi-says-u ... ch-1.57718

I’m simply saying if gangs regardless of ethnic origin are in the military it stands to reason some may be involved in illegal activities while in the armed forces. Stealing guns probably is not extremely difficult if one knows the layout. Don’t read everything as a color issue. There are plenty of “white” criminal or others in our country. You do recall there is an Italian mafia, a Russian one and so on all operating in the borders of our country.
Then they would've said "organized crime" or something else related specifically to the various mafias. When journalists write "gang members", they're talking about Bloods, Crips, MS-13, and that ilk. They don't mean the Five Families of New York or the Jewish Mafia of San Francisco (yes, that does exist). That's a dog-whistle for "them brown folks", kinda like when they use the word "thug" to describe the likes of Philando Castile or similar.

I agree that it stands to reason that if gang members have joined the military, then some may be involved in illegal activity. That goes for non-gang members as well; I knew a few of the prisoners on our base. One was a White man apparently in his 40's, an E-7 (USAF MSgt). Got busted down to Airman Basic (E-1), so he did something pretty darn bad for that to happen. Another was a Black man, an E-6 (USAF TSgt), and I never found out what he did. But he, too, got busted down to Airman Basic, so it had to be pretty serious. Another was a guy who worked in my unit. Blond, white, about 6'2", was a USAF SSgt (E-5). Stole some things, got caught, his Article 15 busted him down to E-3 (Airman 1st Class). So, illegal activity happens across the board. I stand by my assertion, therefore, that The Dog Whistle Is Strong With This Article.
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sikacz wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:28 pm
CowboyT wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:54 pm Now, as to why actual military guns are showing up on the black market...well, thank you for that, Eric "Fast 'N' Furious" Holder! You, sir, should be in jail for that, along with anyone else who took part in it. Thank you also, drug cartels who offer Mexican police officers plenty of money to join the cartel and bring their issued M-16 rifles with them.
No doubt this could play into it as well. Just this morning on the news there was a story about one convicted spy being held in Russia. My wife and I googled info on him and it seems he was dismissed from the US military for trying to steal or having stolen 10k US dollars. My suspicion is he was up to trying to make money on the side in Russia by stealing information and selling it. Before anyone decides to jump on the Russian legal system can’t be trusted bandwagon, I’ll point out that is highly prejudicial. Americans break laws in other countries as well as here. Now to your fast and furious, this guy could just as well have been a US spy with a convenient cover. Still, it doesn’t diminish or eliminate the possibility of gang infiltration. It could be any of the cases mentioned or all of them to some degree.
Oh, we know it's a part of it. It's well documented that some of those "Fast & Furious" guns that Holder & Co. ran were used to kill people, including Americans.

Generally speaking, though, on American and European USA installations, guns and ammo were pretty strictly counted...at least in the Air Force, they were. I don't know about the war zones like Iraq and Afghanistan; things may be different there.
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highdesert wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:06 am Just because they are related does not mean that Gen Charles Flynn is in any way part of his brother Lt Gen Michael Flynn's crimes. I don't believe criminality is in the blood. Those are the types of conspiracies peddled on right wing gun boards.
The Army falsely denied for days that Lt. Gen. Charles A. Flynn, the brother of disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was involved in a key meeting during its heavily scrutinized response to the deadly assault on the U.S. Capitol.
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