Re: American Insurrection (Frontline 4/13/21)

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Just watched all of the video. All I can say is, let's hope these groups don't coalesce into one large group. We can look to history especially Germany, Italy and Spain to see how splinter groups on the extreme right were absorbed into the larger group.

My gut feeling is, Oh Shit.
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Re: American Insurrection (Frontline 4/13/21)

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It was ok, a little slow. Some quotes I found interesting.

AC Thompson is the narrator your see and Dr Pete Simi is a sociologist at Chapman University
A.C. THOMPSON:

The Proud Boys are led by Enrique Tarrio. He's this guy who is a Cuban American man of color. What's going on with that do you think?

PETE SIMI:

If you look at, for instance, the history of the racist skinhead movement in the United States, any number of different racist skinhead crews across the country, they wouldn't be exclusively white, necessarily. You have the capacity for people of various different backgrounds to embrace fascism as an ideology, as a world view. And I think in many respects that's what we're dealing with here is a broad, fascist movement.
John Bennett former FBI SAC is now with Kroll a major international security firm.
JOHN BENNETT, Managing Director, Kroll:

I think Jan. 6, I think it really surprised everybody. Here are groups that profess to be law and order in this country, and then here are cops that are in the group that are beating on other cops. That is unheard of.

A.C. THOMPSON:

I asked the former FBI agent John Bennett for his takeaway from the Jan. 6 attack.

When you were seeing the early news reports from Jan. 6, did you think, "Hey, this is a well-organized conspiracy"?

JOHN BENNETT:

I didn't think this was well-organized at all. I think this was opportunistic. They were banging on doors and opening doors that led to hallways and stairwells. They had no idea what the layout was, and they were shocked that they got in there.

You've had a pandemic, people who have lost jobs, people who questioned the legitimacy of elections. I think this was chum in the water, and blood in the water, and it became a feeding frenzy.

A.C. THOMPSON:

Do you feel like now what you’re seeing is radical fringe ideologies migrating into the mainstream and sort of moving out of those small fringe groups into broader circulation?

JOHN BENNETT:

The skinheads and all of that neo-Nazi side of things, that is something people really don't want to be associated with. But what the scary thing is a lot of people in these groups that we're seeing now are your neighbors, are your—the truck drivers and the doctors that believe in this.

A.C. THOMPSON:

You spent years investigating domestic terror cases. When you think about the future of political violence in this country, are you worried about another Jan. 6, where it's sort of a mass eruption, or are you more worried about an individual act of terrorism by an individual or a small cell?

JOHN BENNETT:

It's those individuals and those people who are plotting without a lot of people around them that are very challenging for any law enforcement to investigate. Referring back to the Jan. 6 events, there was an individual who placed pipe bombs who has not been identified yet. That’s the type of person that we’re really concerned about.
From transcript
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film ... ranscript/
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Re: American Insurrection (Frontline 4/13/21)

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TrueTexan wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:19 pm
My gut feeling is, Oh Shit.


I think that was the reporter's intention, to make viewers worried about boogaloos and so on. Material was presented to support that feeling. But I think the stronger thesis to take away was how influential was the orange spirochete. I don't think anyone would have moved on the Capitol without his cheer leading. He should be locked up.

I think this is one of many perspectives we all have to investigate in an effort to check this fascism shit.

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Re: American Insurrection (Frontline 4/13/21)

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CDFingers wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:46 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:19 pm
My gut feeling is, Oh Shit.


I think that was the reporter's intention, to make viewers worried about boogaloos and so on. Material was presented to support that feeling. But I think the stronger thesis to take away was how influential was the orange spirochete. I don't think anyone would have moved on the Capitol without his cheer leading. He should be locked up.

I think this is one of many perspectives we all have to investigate in an effort to check this fascism shit.

CDFingers
Trump is what really brought out the gut feeling. He has been instigating many the violent actions, of the right wing, by his inflammatory speeches, that gave support to the violent rightwing activist since before he was elected.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer-Kissinger
Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired.-Swift

Re: American Insurrection (Frontline 4/13/21)

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TrueTexan wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:19 pm
CDFingers wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:46 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:19 pm
My gut feeling is, Oh Shit.


I think that was the reporter's intention, to make viewers worried about boogaloos and so on. Material was presented to support that feeling. But I think the stronger thesis to take away was how influential was the orange spirochete. I don't think anyone would have moved on the Capitol without his cheer leading. He should be locked up.

I think this is one of many perspectives we all have to investigate in an effort to check this fascism shit.

CDFingers
Trump is what really brought out the gut feeling. He has been instigating many the violent actions, of the right wing, by his inflammatory speeches, that gave support to the violent rightwing activist since before he was elected.

Trump was the unifying figure for all these fascist groups, he had the stature to get them to come to DC. I'm not convinced that Trump will ever be prosecuted and convicted though Oath Keepers and others will be.

Instead of wasting time watching AC Thompson walk down streets, into buildings, down halls - they could have used the time to dig deeper like who is funding these groups. Do they have connections to religious groups or prison gangs or organized crime? A number of them have been convicted and imprisoned and are likely protected by gangs. Fascism comes in made shapes and colors.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Authoritarian governments are always glad when democracy devolves into turmoil. Justifies the hardline policies of “law & order”.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Pushing for the insurrection.
Tucker Carlson Is Giving ‘Red Pills’ To Millions. White Nationalists Are Thrilled.

After Fox News host Tucker Carlson doubled down on his support of the white nationalist “great replacement” conspiracy theory this week, prominent white nationalists across America expressed glee at what they saw as a possible mass radicalization event.

“This week Tucker redpilled 4 million people and there’s nothing liberals can do about it,” Nick Fuentes, the Holocaust-denying leader of the “America First” movement tweeted Monday night. (Being “redpilled,” or “taking the red pill,” is far-right lingo for adopting a white nationalist worldview.)

VDare, a well-known white nationalist website, gushed over Carlson’s monologue like a proud parent.

“This segment is one of the best things Fox News has ever aired and was filled with ideas and talking points VDARE.com pioneered many years ago,” the website’s account tweeted. “You should watch the whole thing.”

Carlson, who hosts one of the most watched programs on cable news, last week expressed his support for the core tenet of the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, the white nationalist belief that immigration into the U.S. and European countries amounts to an extinction-level event for white people.

Although Carlson has long used his show to disseminate white nationalism into the homes of millions of conservative Fox viewers, promoting the “great replacement” on air still felt — to both his white nationalist cheerleaders and his left-leaning detractors — like an escalation.

During Thursday’s prime-time show, Carlson said: “Now, I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term ‘replacement,’ if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots, with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World. But … let’s just say it: That’s true.”

Carlson then continued to ascribe other nasty, immutable characteristics to immigrants, falsely claiming they have “shown absolute contempt for our customs, our laws, our system” but are “being treated better than American citizens.”

Immigration, Carlson added, is part of an effort to “dilute the political power of the people” by altering who lives here. “Every time they import a new voter, I become disenfranchised as a current voter,” he said.

This is a conspiracy theory cited in the writings of some of the worst white nationalist mass murderers in recent history, including men who killed 51 Muslim worshippers at mosques in New Zealand; 22 mostly Latino people at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas; and 11 Jewish worshippers at a Pittsburgh synagogue.

When neo-Nazis marched through Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 with tiki torches, they too invoked the “great replacement,” chanting, “They will not replace us,” and “Jews will not replace us.” Proponents of the “great replacement” believe Jews are responsible for hastening nonwhite immigration.

Fox News did not respond to HuffPost’s request for comment.

Following Carlson’s rant, the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization, took the rare step of calling on the cable news channel to fire Carlson, citing his “full-on embrace of the white supremacist replacement theory.”

But Fox, as it has done for years, stood by its star, and by Monday Carlson was doubling down on the theory during prime time, stating: “It was true and therefore worth saying. America badly needs a national conversation about it.”

Carlson then went further: “Demographic change is the key to the Democratic Party’s political ambitions,” he said, adding that “Democrats plan to change the population of the country” in order to win elections.

White nationalists quickly picked up on the barely concealed subtext of “demographic change.”

“Great segment mentioning unmentionable reality of demographic replacement,” tweeted Kevin MacDonald, an author beloved by neo-Nazis. “Doesn’t explicitly mention Whites but obviously implied.”

MacDonald — who published a series of books claiming to show that Jews are genetically motivated to destroy white European culture — then referred to a portion of Carlson’s segment in which the host lashed out at the Anti-Defamation League as a “must-see for conservatives.”

The organization, Carlson argued, has itself embraced “replacement” theory in the past — not for America, but for Israel. Carlson pointed to a paper the Anti-Defamation League reportedly published arguing against allowing more Palestinian refugees into Israel, stating that it would lead to Jews becoming a “vulnerable minority” in their own country.

“Why would any democratic nation make its own citizens less powerful?” Carlson said. “Isn’t that the deepest betrayal of all? In the words of the ADL, why would a government subvert its own sovereign existence? Good question. Maybe ADL President Jonathan Greenblatt will join ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’ some time to explain and tell us whether that same principle applies to the United States.”

White nationalists were delighted and energized by this part of Carlson’s segment, which they viewed as the ultimate “gotcha” moment, and which echoed an argument they’ve made for years.

White nationalist Nick Fuentes is super stoked about Tucker Carlson’s embrace of the “great replacement” conspiracy theory.

“Demographic replacement, ADL, Israel, it’s all there… a full redpill,” tweeted Fuentes, the “America First” leader. “On primetime Fox News for 4 million mainstream conservatives. Can you feel it? We are inevitable.”

According to Ben Lorber, a research analyst at Political Research Associates who studies anti-Semitism, a “full red pill” means Fuentes understood Carlson’s rant to be anti-Semitic.

“For white nationalists,” Lorber explained in a Twitter thread, “Jews engineer white replacement through a quintessentially duplicitous sleight of hand — demanding open borders for the West and refusing ‘open borders for Israel.’ That’s Tucker’s logic here, using ADL as a stand-in for ‘Jew.’”

This tactic, Lorber wrote, is extremely common “on the radical Right,” which has long seized on the ideological inconsistencies of the ADL and “some liberal Zionists, Jewish and non-Jewish” who “support liberal policies in the U.S. and illiberal policies in Israel” as a way of portraying all Jews as hypocrites.

“White nationalists have always loved Tucker, but they often bristle that he doesn’t go far enough,” Lorber wrote. “Not last night — they know a ‘full redpill’ when they see one.”

Jared Holt, a resident fellow at The Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab who studies domestic extremism, saw similar enthusiasm for Carlson in white nationalist channels on Telegram, a messaging app popular among fascists.

“Deep in the trenches of online white nationalism, they are lauding Tucker’s recent defiance of criticisms from the Anti-Defamation League, and using that as a segue to peddle some of their anti-Semitic ideas,” Holt told HuffPost.

Holt pointed to a Telegram post by prominent white nationalist and anti-Semite Michael Peinovich, aka “Mike Enoch,” who helped organize the deadly 2017 rally in Charlottesville and who has been filmed giving a Nazi salute.

“The fact that Tucker is making this sort of argument is a breakthrough, I will give him credit for going where no TV host has gone before,” Peinovich wrote. “Not in criticizing in Israel, because he did not do that, but in pointing out that Jews take their sovereignty seriously while ours is up for grabs.”

Holt explained that white nationalists — who have long seen Carlson as an ally — have rushed to the Fox News host’s defense over the past week.

“They view him as somebody who is being criticized for speaking some kind of existential truth that’s forbidden from discussion in politics,” Holt said.

And what’s scary, Holt continued, is how white nationalists are borrowing a page from the GOP’s playbook, portraying liberal outrage over Carlson’s “great replacement” remarks as simply another example of “cancel culture” run amok.

“They’re trying to leverage the kind of reflexive support that’s been fostered in the GOP base for the last few years to back Tucker Carlson up on this message, which I fear would have the effect of giving people the impression that the ‘great replacement’ is not a third rail of politics that is soaked in the blood of decades of mass murders of minority communities.”

The white nationalist site VDare is also stoked about Tucker.
White nationalists love to talk about widening the “Overton window” — a term for the range of acceptable political discussion — to better include their vile ideas.

Steve Sailer, a longtime anti-immigration activist and neo-eugenicist, saw Carlson’s segment as a breakthrough.

“Tucker’s Overton Window-Smashing Broadside: ‘The Truth About Demographic Change’” was the headline of the article he published Tuesday on VDare, the white nationalist website.

Angelo Carusone, president of the liberal media watchdog group Media Matters, fears that when it comes to the “great replacement,” the Overton window has been thrown wide open.

“What scares me is that Tucker Carlson was saying this stuff six years ago on Infowars, with Alex Jones,” Carusone said, referring to the far-right conspiracy theorist. Now, Carlson is talking about the “great replacement” on “Fox’s anchor program,” Carusone said.

“The part that’s so concerning and dangerous is that it’s an illustration of how what used to be so far removed from political power and relevancy is now centered,” he continued. “So that’s the part that I find alarming. It’s not just how much it’s moved, but it tells us where it’s going.”

Carlson has been laying the groundwork for decades to openly support the “great replacement” theory on Fox News, Carusone said, pointing to the ways in which he’s repeatedly fearmongered on air about immigrants “invading” the country, and about Black people forming armed gangs to roam white neighborhoods, among other examples.

Carusone and Media Matters have been at the forefront of documenting Carlson’s bigotry for years. This experience has led him to a conclusion he knows might sound unbelievable to some.

“Unless we interrupt that trend line and short circuit” what Carlson is doing, Carusone argued, “the inevitable end in all of this is what Carlson has been talking about for quite some time, which is a race war. That’s what this guy wants. It’s what he advocates for. It’s what he believes.”

Asked to clarify what he meant by “race war,” it was Carusone’s turn to double down.

“I mean that Tucker Carlson wants white people to start killing people of color,” he said. “And I know that sounds outrageous and terrifying, but I could back it up with a ton of receipts.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-na ... 3a7edda566

It is a total shame that Reagan killed the Fairness doctrine.
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The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer-Kissinger
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Re: American Insurrection (Frontline 4/13/21)

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FrontSight wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 pm I'd love to watch it, but I'm not willing to created an account with Youtube to watch it. Youtube has become SO incredibly right wing, I really don't want to give them anything.
Do you have a Google account? Use it. Google owns youtube.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer-Kissinger
Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired.-Swift

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TrueTexan wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:00 pm
FrontSight wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 pm I'd love to watch it, but I'm not willing to created an account with Youtube to watch it. Youtube has become SO incredibly right wing, I really don't want to give them anything.
Do you have a Google account? Use it. Google owns youtube.
I signed in with my Google acct. There really wasn't anything in that video that anyone couldn't see unless they're afraid someone would complain about bad language. Americans are so puritanical, watch British TV and people swear even on talk shows and no one cares.
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