Re: In Virginia, and elsewhere, gun supporters prepare to defy new laws
26I guess the message democrats in Virginia are trying to get across to all gun owners in the state and the entire country is "Hell yes, we are going to take your guns."
It is hard to say. There will always be Dems and GOP who submit ridiculous bills so that they can tout the bill to their safe district voters. You cannot paint them all with a broad brush until they actually do something.frankr wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:57 pm I guess the message democrats in Virginia are trying to get across to all gun owners in the state and the entire country is "Hell yes, we are going to take your guns."
The GOP used gun rights to raise money and win elections. They did nothing for gun owners except ban bumpfire stocks.frankr wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:19 am Republicans haven't convinced you they are serious about attacking abortion rights? Really?
I support abortion rights. I support marriage for anybody who is an adult. I think in the most powerful nation in the world people should be not terrified about health care. I think in the most powerful nation in the world we need to make sure we don't wreck the home of us and the home of animals. In the most powerful nation in the world we should have clean water instead of paying for water a corporation has made clean and put into a bottle.K9s wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:40 pmThe GOP used gun rights to raise money and win elections. They did nothing for gun owners except ban bumpfire stocks.frankr wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:19 am Republicans haven't convinced you they are serious about attacking abortion rights? Really?
The GOP used abortion rights to raise money and win elections. Several red states did ban abortions this year... after all these decades.
We have very pro-2A rights in this red state, too. However, some people have really grown uncomfortable with open-carrying yahoos in stores and armed right-wing militias showing up at every possible public protest. When they feel threatened, they vote. I can't blame them for listening to the anti-2A calls to action.frankr wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:21 pmI support abortion rights. I support marriage for anybody who is an adult. I think in the most powerful nation in the world people should be not terrified about health care. I think in the most powerful nation in the world we need to make sure we don't wreck the home of us and the home of animals. In the most powerful nation in the world we should have clean water instead of paying for water a corporation has made clean and put into a bottle.K9s wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:40 pmThe GOP used gun rights to raise money and win elections. They did nothing for gun owners except ban bumpfire stocks.frankr wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:19 am Republicans haven't convinced you they are serious about attacking abortion rights? Really?
The GOP used abortion rights to raise money and win elections. Several red states did ban abortions this year... after all these decades.
And under republican rule we have just about the most 2nd amendment friendly laws in the entire country as we do at the moment. The democrat politicians have told us directly they will infringe on the 2nd amendment as much as they can get away with, as fast as they can. I'm not exaggerating.
The difference is scary.
I just heard the Virginia Beach BOS meeting was attended by 2,500 people. The BOS said they will need a stadium next time.
"States Rights" as a banner seemed to be used to oppress people. The Feds often tried to reverse oppression.inomaha wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:40 pm At least these counties are protecting a constitutional right in their "sanctuary". It's odd that the liberals are arguing for state and federal supremacy when infringing on the constitution but if it was geared towards sanctuary for illegals they'd be up in arms. Pun intended.
I decided a while back I can only really work hard for one issue at a time. It looks like our media and government got together a while back and ganged up against the rest of us to eradicate the first amendment.K9s wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:48 pm"States Rights" as a banner seemed to be used to oppress people. The Feds often tried to reverse oppression.inomaha wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:40 pm At least these counties are protecting a constitutional right in their "sanctuary". It's odd that the liberals are arguing for state and federal supremacy when infringing on the constitution but if it was geared towards sanctuary for illegals they'd be up in arms. Pun intended.
Of course, my argument isn't about Fed/State/Local control, though. Just pointing out that the 2A isn't the only right under threat.
Yeah, I remember seeing a protester jailed because she laughed at AG Jeff Sessions. I don't think the media had a hand in that.frankr wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:13 pmI decided a while back I can only really work hard for one issue at a time. It looks like our media and government got together a while back and ganged up against the rest of us to eradicate the first amendment.K9s wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:48 pm"States Rights" as a banner seemed to be used to oppress people. The Feds often tried to reverse oppression.inomaha wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:40 pm At least these counties are protecting a constitutional right in their "sanctuary". It's odd that the liberals are arguing for state and federal supremacy when infringing on the constitution but if it was geared towards sanctuary for illegals they'd be up in arms. Pun intended.
Of course, my argument isn't about Fed/State/Local control, though. Just pointing out that the 2A isn't the only right under threat.
I was shocked a while back to see the media reporting on the how well the candidates were doing. 1st, 2nd, and 4th place. That actually happened. I watched it. That's our media protecting our 1st amendment. At least I know if I go to express my political opinion to george bush I will be given a "free speech" area away from where the president can see me. That's american nobility. The 1st amendment is no longer in effect. That's 1 down.
https://twitter.com/RTDSchapiro/status/ ... 87169?s=19Latest column: The strategy recalls a specious, 19th-century notion advanced by defenders of slavery that states could veto objectionable federal law by standing between their citizens and the national government.
https://t.co/tucjN4N0aG via @rtdnews
well why not, we've seen the same argument here. but one is a specifically enumerated constitutional right, while the other is presumptive based on omission.DispositionMatrix wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:11 am Richmond Times Dispatch columnist equates 2A sanctuary movement to actions of 1800s slavery defenders.https://twitter.com/RTDSchapiro/status/ ... 87169?s=19Latest column: The strategy recalls a specious, 19th-century notion advanced by defenders of slavery that states could veto objectionable federal law by standing between their citizens and the national government.
https://t.co/tucjN4N0aG via @rtdnews
We do the same for immigration. Maybe it's time to look at the Constitution again and examine where we all (non Natives) came from. Maybe sanctuary status for armed immigrants?DispositionMatrix wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:11 am Richmond Times Dispatch columnist equates 2A sanctuary movement to actions of 1800s slavery defenders.https://twitter.com/RTDSchapiro/status/ ... 87169?s=19Latest column: The strategy recalls a specious, 19th-century notion advanced by defenders of slavery that states could veto objectionable federal law by standing between their citizens and the national government.
https://t.co/tucjN4N0aG via @rtdnews
Absolutely anticipated.DispositionMatrix wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:11 am Richmond Times Dispatch columnist equates 2A sanctuary movement to actions of 1800s slavery defenders.https://twitter.com/RTDSchapiro/status/ ... 87169?s=19Latest column: The strategy recalls a specious, 19th-century notion advanced by defenders of slavery that states could veto objectionable federal law by standing between their citizens and the national government.
https://t.co/tucjN4N0aG via @rtdnews
Excellent idea. It would freak out both the anti-gunners and the racists. Perfect.
yes you should.
VooDooAttorney General: New Gun Laws will be enforced and followed.
It’s been confirmed. The Virginia state government is gearing up to enforce the up and coming gun laws once they are passed.
Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring said on Thursday that the people residing in Sanctuary Counties will follow the law and that the laws “are going to be enforced”. He made this statement on December 5th, one day after Augusta County declared sanctuary status.
“These resolutions have no legal effect whatsoever. It’s really the gun lobby trying to scare a lot of people,”
“When the General Assembly passes it in the upcoming session, those laws are going to be enforced and they will be followed.”
The Attorney General has also essentially called every Sheriff in Virginia a Coward.
“When you talk to those who are in law enforcement and really push them a little bit, like a sheriff or a prosecutor and say, ‘So, really? You mean you’re going to allow violent felons to go ahead and purchase firearms?’ No. They back down pretty quickly.”
The "gun lobby trying to scare a lot of people" doesn't even make sense in this context. The AG probably wanted to avoid verbally pitting himself against any sector of the people directly--for now.featureless wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:22 pm Man, that's a lot of hubris.
I just love that the new boogieman is the "gun lobby." I guess it's better than the gun owner.
It sure doesn't, unless the propaganda is the "people" surely want gun control so it must be the wicked "gun lobby" going against the wishes of the people to make boards pass those dirty will not comply ordinances.DispositionMatrix wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:42 pmThe "gun lobby trying to scare a lot of people" doesn't even make sense in this context. The AG probably wanted to avoid verbally pitting himself against any sector of the people directly--for now.featureless wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:22 pm Man, that's a lot of hubris.
I just love that the new boogieman is the "gun lobby." I guess it's better than the gun owner.
A. G. Herring knows full well nobody is talking about arming felons...VodoundaVinci wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:33 am https://sawpatriots.org/attorney-genera ... -followed/
VooDooAttorney General: New Gun Laws will be enforced and followed.
It’s been confirmed. The Virginia state government is gearing up to enforce the up and coming gun laws once they are passed.
Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring said on Thursday that the people residing in Sanctuary Counties will follow the law and that the laws “are going to be enforced”. He made this statement on December 5th, one day after Augusta County declared sanctuary status.
“These resolutions have no legal effect whatsoever. It’s really the gun lobby trying to scare a lot of people,”
“When the General Assembly passes it in the upcoming session, those laws are going to be enforced and they will be followed.”
The Attorney General has also essentially called every Sheriff in Virginia a Coward.
“When you talk to those who are in law enforcement and really push them a little bit, like a sheriff or a prosecutor and say, ‘So, really? You mean you’re going to allow violent felons to go ahead and purchase firearms?’ No. They back down pretty quickly.”
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