Pete Buttigieg 2020

1
I didn't see a thread for this guy from Indiana. I don't see a lot about 2A issues.

As the mayor of South Bend, Buttigieg is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that advocates for gun control legislation at the state and federal level. He also supports universal background checks, and opposed allowing guns in schools and so-called “Stand Your Ground” self-defense gun laws.

He says: The principles that will guide my campaign are simple enough to fit on a bumper sticker: freedom, security, and democracy.

Freedom: Health care is freedom. Consumer protection is freedom. Racial justice is freedom. Empowering teachers means freedom. Women’s equality is freedom. Organized labor sows freedom. And take it from Chasten and me, you are certainly not free if a county clerk gets to tell you who you ought to marry based on their political beliefs.

Security: The idea that security and patriotism belong to one political party needs to end now.
I want to make this clear: the greatest nation in the world should have nothing to fear from children fleeing violence. More importantly, children fleeing violence ought to have nothing to fear from the greatest country in the world.
And let's pick our heads up to face what might be the great security issue of our time: climate change and disruption.

Democracy: No issue we care about, from gun safety to immigration, from climate to education to paid family leave, will be handled well unless our democracy is in better shape. It’s hardly a democracy if “Citizens United” means dollars can drown out the will of the people.
And we can’t say it’s much of a democracy when twice in my lifetime, the Electoral College has overruled the American people.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

2
He declared today, so he's no longer exploring. Like so many others, he's a very long shot. Maybe we should post some guesstimates of which Demo presidential candidates will run out of money and drop out before the caucuses and primaries even start.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

3
I am just going to assume that he is actually angling for VP or Indiana Governor. Just like I assume that Beto is actually going to run for Senate or something else.

I don't have a problem with that after watching Rubio promise to NOT run for Senate... and then he ran for Senate after he dropped out against Trump.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

4
It would be nice to have a chance to actually have a non informal discussion with the candidates to see just how serious they are on all of the topics. They have to spout the party line during the campaign

in order to maintain any endorsements from the party. If I know for a fact that Bloomberg is on the bottom of the list for any Dem candidate I will nor only donate but will support that candidate door knocking.

I never felt that Bernie considered gun control to be an issue that would define his term in office, I felt he would respond with "too many really important issues before we consider silly vanity issues".

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

5
I attended one of his events, and I'm impressed. Do I think he has what it takes to become a competent president? I don't know. Is he inherently worse than all the Dem candidates? No. He is sure as hell much better than the current guy in office.

I wish he wins, for no other reason than I have his autographed book, which should increase in value :mrgreen:
Glad that federal government is boring again.

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

6
eelj wrote:It would be nice to have a chance to actually have a non informal discussion with the candidates to see just how serious they are on all of the topics. They have to spout the party line during the campaign

in order to maintain any endorsements from the party. If I know for a fact that Bloomberg is on the bottom of the list for any Dem candidate I will nor only donate but will support that candidate door knocking.

I never felt that Bernie considered gun control to be an issue that would define his term in office, I felt he would respond with "too many really important issues before we consider silly vanity issues".
I agree, and I have a feeling Bernie and Mayor Pete are kind of in the same boat on that front. They'll repeat the party talking points about common sense gun control in order to not risk endorsements, but it doesn't "feel" like the priority issue for either of them. Swalwell on the other hand is going all-in on gun control. It's going to be interesting to see how these primaries shake out, but based on discussions I've had with friends, family, business associates, and random people in Broward Country, FL (by far the bluest county in the state), the electorate seems to care a hell of a lot more about healthcare and income inequality than anything else. Most people I've talked to won't even bring up gun laws as an issue. The fact is people want their families to be healthy and financially stable before they worry about peripheral issues, and if your family is sick and poor, literally every other issue is a peripheral issue. It would seem obvious, but that's what I hope the eventual nominee focuses on.

Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

7
I also think Mayor Pete and Bernie, and maybe others, are going to put other things in front of 2A issues. I welcome that. Bernie reluctantly talks about it and is really focused on domestic problems.

Swalwell really does want to take away your guns... but just semi-auto rifles/assault weapons... for now. Screw that.

Let's see how it goes.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

8
I like him. He's impressive. I'll be watching him. I don't think he's as much of a long shot as people say he is.
Whatever I said above, just pretend I included the obligatory “both sides,” especially if I said something mean about Trump (don’t want to hurt any feelings).

www.schayden.com

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

9
He is smart, thoughtful, and gracious. He speaks clearly and well. He seems to engage people well.

All of these put him so far ahead of our current POTUS that the incumbent is a small-handed speck in his rear view mirror.

Is he electable? That’s another matter. I would hope so.
Image

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

10
Greengunner wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:29 pm I like him. He's impressive. I'll be watching him. I don't think he's as much of a long shot as people say he is.
I agree. IMO, he is top tear. On paper, the odds seem to favor Sanders or Biden, but between the pros and cons of these two figures, it's equally likely an alternative will emerge, and in that case, watch for Buttigieg.

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

11
Sick of old people? He looks like Alex P. Keaton. Scared of young people? He looks like Alex P. Keaton. Religious? He’s a Christian. Atheist? He’s not weird about it. Wary of Washington? He’s from flyover country. Horrified by flyover country? He has degrees from Harvard and Oxford. Make the President Read Again? He learned Norwegian to read Erlend Loe. Traditional? He’s married. Woke? He’s gay. Way behind the rest of the country on that? He’s not too gay. Worried about socialism? He’s a technocratic capitalist. Worried about technocratic capitalists? He’s got a whole theory about how our system of “democratic capitalism” has to be a whole lot more “democratic.” If you squint hard enough to not see color, some people say, you can almost see Obama the inspiring professor. Oh, and he’s the son of an immigrant, a Navy vet, speaks seven foreign languages (in addition to Norwegian, Arabic, Spanish, Maltese, Dari, French, and Italian), owns two rescue dogs, and plays the goddamn piano. He’s actually terrifying. What mother wouldn’t love this guy?
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/ ... paign.html

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

12
danhue wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:54 pm
Greengunner wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:29 pm I like him. He's impressive. I'll be watching him. I don't think he's as much of a long shot as people say he is.
I agree. IMO, he is top tear. On paper, the odds seem to favor Sanders or Biden, but between the pros and cons of these two figures, it's equally likely an alternative will emerge, and in that case, watch for Buttigieg.
I love Bernie and I voted for him enthusiastically in the primary last time around, but he's 77 years old. Biden is 76. While it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where I won't be supporting the Democratic candidate running against Trump, I'd like to see someone a little younger and bit more exciting. Mayor Pete fits the bill. Is America ready to elect someone who's openly gay? I don't know. But then, I didn't know if we were ready to elect a black guy either.
Whatever I said above, just pretend I included the obligatory “both sides,” especially if I said something mean about Trump (don’t want to hurt any feelings).

www.schayden.com

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

13
Greengunner wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:45 pm
danhue wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:54 pm
Greengunner wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:29 pm I like him. He's impressive. I'll be watching him. I don't think he's as much of a long shot as people say he is.
I agree. IMO, he is top tear. On paper, the odds seem to favor Sanders or Biden, but between the pros and cons of these two figures, it's equally likely an alternative will emerge, and in that case, watch for Buttigieg.
I love Bernie and I voted for him enthusiastically in the primary last time around, but he's 77 years old. Biden is 76. While it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where I won't be supporting the Democratic candidate running against Trump, I'd like to see someone a little younger and bit more exciting. Mayor Pete fits the bill. Is America ready to elect someone who's openly gay? I don't know. But then, I didn't know if we were ready to elect a black guy either.
My concern exactly about Sanders and Biden their age. They're a million times better than Donnie but the Dems still need younger candidates with political experience. Obama was at the right place at the right time when everyone was tired of W and Middle East wars and he was bi-racial which could have helped him. I too have my doubts if the US is ready to elect an openly gay president, it just elected the first openly gay governor (CO). Though some historians say that we already had a gay president (James Buchanan), he just wasn't open about it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 727eb99b92
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

14
I think Mayor Pete has a better chance of being elected than a woman in this patriarchal s**t show. The misogyny out there right now is frightening.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

15
The Dems are hopping to win and hold the presidency for the 4 years until AOC is able to run.Then we will see the first female president.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

16
TrueTexan wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:17 am The Dems are hopping to win and hold the presidency for the 4 years until AOC is able to run.Then we will see the first female president.
Not if Pelosi has anything to do with it. She's doing her very best to squash any progressivism in the party.

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

17
featureless wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:35 am
TrueTexan wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:17 am The Dems are hopping to win and hold the presidency for the 4 years until AOC is able to run.Then we will see the first female president.
Not if Pelosi has anything to do with it. She's doing her very best to squash any progressivism in the party.
And Fox and other networks love it. AOC and others are from very safe Demo districts and don't understand running and winning in a purple or red district, first termers they are naive. News networks eat up conflict, real or perceived and politicians who are photogenic and always ready with a statement get the media attention. Pelosi's job was always going to be herding cats, every man or woman for themselves in the Dem Party. Ryan had similar problems as did Boehner.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

18
If the media would only cover Meadows, Jordan, and the rest of those wing nuts non-stop, it could be seen as equivalent. They won't. It isn't. The new members are demonized on right-wing media and questioned/criticized on the rest of the media. The coverage isn't fair and women are treated differently anyway, so Pelosi has a more difficult time.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

19
I keep saying the Freshman people should be paying attention to is Katie Porter from Ca 45. She won a long-time Republican seat, is not as flashy as AOC, but isn't a frightened mouse, afraid of losing her seat. She's very, very smart, and outspoken, and I have yet to see her put her foot in her mouth unlike some of the more covered ones like AOC and Omar.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

20
K9s wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:31 pm If the media would only cover Meadows, Jordan, and the rest of those wing nuts non-stop, it could be seen as equivalent. They won't. It isn't. The new members are demonized on right-wing media and questioned/criticized on the rest of the media. The coverage isn't fair and women are treated differently anyway, so Pelosi has a more difficult time.
Reagan screwed that idea when he got rid of the Fairness Doctrine rule.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

21
YankeeTarheel wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:32 pm I keep saying the Freshman people should be paying attention to is Katie Porter from Ca 45. She won a long-time Republican seat, is not as flashy as AOC, but isn't a frightened mouse, afraid of losing her seat. She's very, very smart, and outspoken, and I have yet to see her put her foot in her mouth unlike some of the more covered ones like AOC and Omar.
https://katieporter.com/issues
Common Sense Gun Reform
I will never accept a dime from the gun lobby and I will work to pass commonsense laws to keep our schools and communities safe. I support a ban on assault weapons, mandatory background checks on all gun sales, and a healthcare system that provides comprehensive mental health treatment.

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

22
YankeeTarheel wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:32 pm I keep saying the Freshman people should be paying attention to is Katie Porter from Ca 45. She won a long-time Republican seat, is not as flashy as AOC, but isn't a frightened mouse, afraid of losing her seat. She's very, very smart, and outspoken, and I have yet to see her put her foot in her mouth unlike some of the more covered ones like AOC and Omar.
I agree. Porter understands that this cycle the 45th went Demo, next cycle it could go back to Rep. It all depends on how she serves her constituents and how she is seen by them. Elizabeth Warren (D) from very blue MA understands that John Tester (D) from very red Montana will vote differently on issues, their constituents are very different.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

23
He can miss me with his praise for the VP and his use of his Naval Intelligence gig as why he wants to disarm civilians. He has a security detail as Mayor and had a Marine Detail as a Naval Lt. Most of us do not.
In a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich the chicken and cow are involved while the pig is committed.

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

24
DispositionMatrix wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:08 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:32 pm I keep saying the Freshman people should be paying attention to is Katie Porter from Ca 45. She won a long-time Republican seat, is not as flashy as AOC, but isn't a frightened mouse, afraid of losing her seat. She's very, very smart, and outspoken, and I have yet to see her put her foot in her mouth unlike some of the more covered ones like AOC and Omar.
https://katieporter.com/issues
Common Sense Gun Reform
I will never accept a dime from the gun lobby and I will work to pass commonsense laws to keep our schools and communities safe. I support a ban on assault weapons, mandatory background checks on all gun sales, and a healthcare system that provides comprehensive mental health treatment.
Every Dem has to say that now, just like every GOPer has to be "Pro-Life". The alternative to Dems is...Trump and his thugs, goons, apologists, criminals, and traitors.
In short: We can have Katie Porters...or Michelle Bachmanns--choose wisely!

We have an "Assault Weapons Ban" in NJ, but that doesn't mean you can't own an AR-15, AR-10, or AK semi-auto. I see them at the ranges all the time. It all depends on how they define "Assault Weapon". We all know it's bullshit--a carpenter's hammer can be an "Assault Weapon"...but, that's the wiggle-room.
Paul McCartney wrote:Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer
Came down upon her head
Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer
Made sure that she was dead
(as an aside: The other 3 Beatles DETESTED everything about the song--Lennon called it more of McCartney's "Granny music" and critics called it "schtick". Others said if you want one single reason the Beatles broke up, it's that song! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_Silver_Hammer)
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Pete Buttigieg 2020

25
Even as Pete Buttigieg's star shines brighter and brighter in the Democratic presidential primary, back home in Indiana there are GOP fears that the young South Bend mayor could drop out and instantly become a threat to win the state's governorship.

The chance that Buttigieg would bow out of the presidential race to run for statewide office seems to be dropping by the day.

The 37-year-old Harvard grad, Rhodes scholar and Afghanistan War veteran has caught fire among energized Democratic voters clamoring for a new generation of leaders and eager to oust President Trump. He’s climbing in the polls and hauled in more than $7 million in the first quarter of 2019.

Yet there are persistent worries among GOP Hoosiers that Buttigieg could shift gears — if his presidential hopes fade — and instead try to unseat Republican Gov. Eric Holcomb in 2020, two GOP sources told The Hill.

“There is a growing concern and an increasing amount of anxiety among the Indiana Republican leaders associated with Gov. Holcomb that Buttigieg could make a switch several months down the road and challenge Holcomb for governor instead,” said one of the GOP sources who hails from Indiana and is close to the state party leadership.

“That’s why the Indiana state party is taking shots at Buttigieg,” the source added.

Buttigieg campaign spokesman Chris Meagher issued a five-word statement in response to this story: “Pete is running for president.”

And in a 20-minute phone interview, Indiana Republican Party Chairman Kyle Hupfer aggressively pushed back on what he called a “fabricated narrative,” insisting that Buttigieg would have no shot at winning a statewide race in the Hoosier State.
One Indiana GOP politician said he has not taken part in any conversations about a Buttigieg gubernatorial bid. But the politician argued that Buttigieg would certainly be a serious contender for statewide office.

“Pete is a very talented politician. He’s had a meteoric rise in Indiana and nationally and you’d have to be a fool to underestimate him,” said the GOP politician, who personally knows Buttigieg.

“Indiana is not a ruby-red state. Obama won it eight years ago; Joe Donnelly won it eight years ago. A centrist Democrat with the right message could compete statewide.”

Still, the Republican politician said he didn’t think Buttigieg would ultimately run for statewide office: If Democrats win in 2020, “he will be president, vice president or serving in the Cabinet.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... r-governor
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests