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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#51 Post by YankeeTarheel » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:26 pm

There are so many better ways he could spend that money to defeat Trump.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#52 Post by senorgrand » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:28 pm

This isn't about beating Trump.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#53 Post by K9s » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:35 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote:
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There are so many better ways he could spend that money to defeat Trump.
I wonder why he and his liberal billionaire buddies don't buy Sinclair TV and Salem radio or create an alternative to Fox and TBN/CBN? Or fund civil rights think tanks and provide an alternative to Federalist Society complete with law school scholarships. So many good things could be done.

I think he is focusing on Trump when the problem is much deeper.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#54 Post by highdesert » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:16 am

Just at the moment when presidential politics is crying out for more news coverage, not less, Michael Bloomberg’s candidacy has put the shiv into political journalism. In an astonishing staff memo made public Sunday, Bloomberg News, the journalism arm of the billionaire’s vast business empire, said it will not conduct investigations of any of the Democratic candidates for president — that is, its boss’ rivals for the nomination — and will place other limitations on its campaign coverage.

That’s a bad decision, but it arises directly out of an existing, all-encompassing policy that is also journalistically dubious: Bloomberg News does not cover Michael Bloomberg, his family or his charitable foundation. In the staff memo, Bloomberg Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait described this policy as “our tradition,” but that places an undeserved luster on the practice — traditions generally involve guideposts to be honored or respected, not dodges to evade uncomfortable disclosures.

Bluntly put, if Bloomberg is planning to be a serious presidential candidate, he needs to reverse this decision on coverage, depart the news business entirely, or at least put his company, Bloomberg LP, in a blind trust, enabling its reporters to cover Bloomberg the candidate without fear of reprisal from him. The memo, released soon after Michael Bloomberg formally announced his presidential candidacy Sunday via a video, observes that “no previous presidential candidate has owned a journalistic organization of this size.” Bloomberg’s news footprint in Washington is extensive — not only through its general news output, but such specialized information services as Bloomberg National Affairs, Bloomberg Law, Bloomberg Government and Bloomberg Environment.

Though Micklethwait acknowledged that this places extraordinary responsibilities on his newsroom, he tried to put the best face on the coverage policy. His memo states that the news organization “will write about virtually all aspects of this presidential contest in much the same way as we have done so far,” but it casts its current practice in oddly limited terms: describing “who is winning and who is losing,” examining policies, carrying polls, interviewing candidates. The memo says that “if other credible journalistic institutions publish investigative work on Mike or the other Democratic candidates,” Bloomberg News “will either publish those articles in full, or summarize them for our readers — and we will not hide them.”

But almost all of that is reactive, not proactive. It leaves many imponderables, including how aggressive Bloomberg reporters will be in interviews of candidate Bloomberg, and whether they may feel constrained to go easy on the rival candidates to maintain balance with their coverage of their boss. The core of the Bloomberg policy is a near complete shutdown of editorial commentary on the presidential election. Several members of the organization’s editorial board will take a leave of absence and join the campaign. The board itself is being suspended, “so there will be no unsigned editorials.” Individual columnists will continue to write, and op-eds from outsiders accepted, “although not op-eds on the election.” Obviously that punches a big hole in the analytical component of Bloomberg News.

The staff memo says that Bloomberg News will “continue to investigate the Trump administration, as the government of the day.” If Michael Bloomberg and Donald Trump end up running against each other in the general election, however, “we will reassess how we do that.” As it happens, the Bloomberg policy raises questions about Michael Bloomberg’s relationship with his own business empire similar to those that persist about Trump and the Trump Organization. (Bloomberg News says the policy about coverage is Micklethwait’s initiative, not Michael Bloomberg’s. But he’s the boss and he hasn’t, as of this writing, disavowed it.)

Although Trump pledged to remove himself from the organization and leave it in the hands of his children once he became president, evidence is rife that he may have retained significant control and remains a beneficiary of the business. That has led to accusations that he is in violation of constitutional “emolument” clauses, which forbid the president and other government officials from receiving pay or benefits outside their official compensation. Michael Bloomberg’s strictures about how he is covered leave open the question of his continuing control over the business enterprise he founded, through which he has amassed a fortune estimated at $54 billion. The question persisted during his three terms as mayor of New York from 2002 to 2013. Bloomberg News, a leading outlet on national and international news, was faulted for less than proactive reporting of its and its owner’s hometown.

During his first mayoral campaign Bloomberg refused to release his personal income tax returns — much as President Trump has refused to release his own. As mayor, Bloomberg allowed reporters to view redacted versions. It isn’t clear how he’ll manage the long-term expectations, flouted only by Trump, that presidential candidates reveal their taxes. Michael Bloomberg departed the management of Bloomberg LP when he became mayor, but didn’t divest himself of the company and returned to its management after the end of his mayoral tenure. He has said he would divest the company if he became president.
The Washington Post, which was acquired in 2013 by Jeff Bezos, the founder and chief executive of Amazon.com, hasn’t shied away from covering Bezos’ company.On Nov. 14, for example, the newspaper reported on the availability of counterfeit goods on Amazon’s sales platform and observed that the company “is failing to stanch the flow of dubious goods even with obvious examples of knockoffs.” Nor has the Post downplayed its investigative reporting on President Trump, even though that has made Bezos and Amazon a Trump target, possibly resulting in Amazon’s loss to Microsoft in bidding for a $10-billion defense contract. (Amazon is challenging the contract award in court.)

The Wall Street Journal, which was acquired in 2007 by international news magnate Rupert Murdoch, has covered Murdoch’s overseas legal troubles extensively, though the most notable scandals, which involved alleged illegal behavior by Murdoch newspapers, were exposed by non-Murdoch news organizations and have become the topics of official proceedings that are hard to ignore.

The [Los Angeles] Times has covered investigative reports from other news organizations about the business dealings of its owner, Patrick Soon-Shiong, dating to when Soon-Shiong was a major shareholder in Tronc, then the newspaper’s parent corporation. Since Soon-Shiong became full owner of The Times and the San Diego Union-Tribune last year, The Times has covered the bankruptcy of a California hospital chain he had been involved with, and the Union-Tribute has written on other accusations pertinent to his business dealings.
The rules laid down by Bloomberg’s editor-in-chief suggest that the enterprise doesn’t trust its own reporters and editors, who are some of the best in the business, to show their independence. The policy takes one of the nation’s largest newsgathering operations functionally out of the business of covering politics during what may be the most important presidential election in a century.

In declaring his candidacy Sunday, Michael Bloomberg presented himself as something of a savior of American democracy, the indispensable man. But his campaign began with the undermining of one of democracy’s indispensable pillars.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#55 Post by featureless » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:28 am

Fuck. This is kind of important enough to have its own thread and not be burred in the Bloomberg dumpster. As I'd suspected, the "liberal media" is as manipulated as the right.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#56 Post by highdesert » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:59 am

featureless wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:28 am
Fuck. This is kind of important enough to have its own thread and not be burred in the Bloomberg dumpster. As I'd suspected, the "liberal media" is as manipulated as the right.
Please take it and start a thread, our media is dominated by private owners who have their own interests whether they call themselves liberal or conservative. Some owners are more active in running their media than others, the Sulzbergers' who own the NY Times have been very involved in running the newspaper but they haven't run for political office. The Murdochs (News Corp) have used their media for political purposes (NY Post, Fox News...).
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#57 Post by VodoundaVinci » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:33 am

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...... As I'd suspected, the "liberal media" is as manipulated as the right.
:ohmg:

It's scary.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#58 Post by K9s » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:24 am

He wants no donations and can run as many ads as he wants. He owns a media company. I hope he isn't a egotistical jerk.

I know very little about him except "Stop and Frisk" and the media company.

Of course, a Jewish billionaire will certainly get some flames from Trump supporters and the far-right. We live in interesting times.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#59 Post by HuckleberryFun » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:27 am

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#60 Post by senorgrand » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:16 pm

lol...100% true
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#61 Post by rascally » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:02 pm

A nationwide ban on sodas larger than 12 ounces and on salt shakers in eating establishments... Oh, and tax the poor more so they can't afford to buy things that aren't good for them.

Sweetness...


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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#62 Post by K9s » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:03 pm

rascally wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:02 pm
A nationwide ban on sodas larger than 12 ounces and on salt shakers in eating establishments... Oh, and tax the poor more so they can't afford to buy things that aren't good for them.

Sweetness...
And no healthcare when they get sick. What could possibly go wrong?

‘There’s something terribly wrong’: Americans are dying young at alarming rates

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Despite spending more on health care than any other country, the United States has seen increasing mortality and falling life expectancy for people age 25 to 64, who should be in the prime of their lives. In contrast, other wealthy nations have generally experienced continued progress in extending longevity. Although earlier research emphasized rising mortality among non-Hispanic whites in the United States, the broad trend detailed in this study cuts across gender, racial and ethnic lines. By age group, the highest relative jump in death rates from 2010 to 2017 — 29 percent — has been among people age 25 to 34.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#63 Post by DavidMS » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:29 pm

I can only hope that Bloomberg manages crash and burn, taking bits of his gun-ban movement with him.

I am halfway convinced that the political advisors around him put him up for the race so that he will spend 100 of millions on TV adds and enrich themselves in the process.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#64 Post by DispositionMatrix » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:51 pm

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#65 Post by K9s » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:41 pm

DavidMS wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:29 pm
I can only hope that Bloomberg manages crash and burn, taking bits of his gun-ban movement with him.

I am halfway convinced that the political advisors around him put him up for the race so that he will spend 100 of millions on TV adds and enrich themselves in the process.
Makes more sense than anything else.

Tom Steyer's "Need to Impeach" thing, it was transparent that he was going to run for office. Not sure what Bloomberg is actually thinking except about his money.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#66 Post by VodoundaVinci » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:51 am

K9s wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:41 pm
..... Not sure what Bloomberg is actually thinking except about his money.
Power and Control. Don't forget about the power and control. That's what he really wants as he already has more money than he can spend.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#67 Post by K9s » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:45 pm

VodoundaVinci wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:51 am
K9s wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:41 pm
..... Not sure what Bloomberg is actually thinking except about his money.
Power and Control. Don't forget about the power and control. That's what he really wants as he already has more money than he can spend.

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The idea that he could actually get any power or control of anything by jumping into a race so late? Maybe he has too many dollars and no sense. (Dad joke)

I did see that the Trump campaign is not letting Bloomberg reporters into campaign events now.... Let's see how Bloomberg News responds on paper.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#68 Post by NegativeApproach » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:22 am

Trump has the best chance to win against Michael Bloomberg. Two egomaniacs who no one wanted... the only reason Trump won is because the Dems ran "superpredator" Clinton. Now "stop and frisk" Bloomberg is going to get into the race because the donor-class liberals want a business-friendly middle-of-the-road Biden alternative?

Well, even if we put aside gun rights for a second... good luck!

Bloomberg is the reason why Democrats are losing in recent history. His funding of anti-gun groups is why we don't see any pro-gun 2nd amendment Dems regularly anymore. His groups threaten to primary all the gun-rights Dems, and that pushes gun rights firmly into the hands of Republicans, and that's a very direct causation of why we have Trump. If the Dems would have run just about any other candidate, including Sanders who was a moderate on gun rights in 2016, they would have won. Instead, we got Clinton and her support for an Australia-style ban, which has been proven to not work there. That turned off voters in PA, OH, and MI, WI, and all the other key battleground states.

So if the Dems are dumb enough to try a losing hand again, then they get what they deserve. The rest of us will just have to suffer for their stupidity.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#69 Post by K9s » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:54 pm

I cannot imagine this is even a serious run for office. Dems are hardened on the top contenders with Tulsi running as a Russian spoiler. Bloomberg might help local TV stations profits and crowd out some Trump ads, though.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#70 Post by JimSteel » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:22 pm

I, for one, am voting Camacho.

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#71 Post by lurker » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:31 pm

tonight we went out to eat and i saw my first bloomberg campaign ad. all the slick and glossy you'd expect from a media mogul. there's something empty about him from the 10 seconds i saw, but a good scriptwriter can cover that up pretty well. he may not connect with the voters, another rich guy, not an obvious criminal or megalomaniac, clearly a gun-controller. not sure what i'd do if he's the nominee. can't be worse than what we've got in store if donald wins again. just my 1st impressions.
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#72 Post by K9s » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:17 pm

I am hearing them in podcasts and partially saw one on a TV today. All Bloomberg for POTUS. Nothing anti-GOP. Just an ego trip like Steyer.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#73 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:00 am

Bloomberg Proposes Sweeping Gun Agenda, Including Federal Licensing
The plan Mr. Bloomberg is unveiling on Thursday represents, in some respects, a shift leftward even for him. Where his advisers have in the past expressed some skepticism about the idea of a national gun-licensing requirement, he is now embracing the idea.

The policy paper drafted by Mr. Bloomberg’s campaign said that he would seek to require all would-be gun buyers to obtain a license, either from the Department of Justice or from a state-level authority, before the purchase could go through. The paper also calls for the creation of a “central system” for tracking illegal guns and people who have been barred by courts or other authorities from possessing guns.

Mr. Bloomberg’s endorsement of a federal licensing policy is likely to ripple widely in the world of gun-control advocacy, where many groups, including those funded by Mr. Bloomberg, have focused chiefly on tightening background checks. The idea of a national licensing requirement, which would be even more restrictive, gained wide traction in the presidential race after Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey proposed one in May. At the time, John Feinblatt, a prominent gun-control strategist close to Mr. Bloomberg, expressed hesitation about the policy and suggested it was not “research tested.”

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#74 Post by senorgrand » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:08 am

the question becomes, does Bloomberg believe in gun control or have all his efforts been windowdressing to run for president?
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#75 Post by highdesert » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:10 am

New York City gun laws for the rest of the US - :yucky: With a 40% unfavorable rating in CA a blue state, this isn't going to win him votes in battleground and red states. It's his money to piss away.
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