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The Washington Post article: https://archive.ph/Maihu
Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation. Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands. The people who described some of the material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation. Nor did they say if such documents were recovered as part of the search.
Former senior intelligence officials said in interviews that during the Trump administration, highly classified intelligence about sensitive topics, including about intelligence-gathering on Iran, was routinely mishandled. One former official said the most highly classified information often ended up in the hands of personnel who didn’t appear to have a need to possess it or weren’t authorized to read it.
Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about U.S. weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.

One former Justice Department official, who in the past oversaw investigations of leaks of classified information, said the type of top-secret information described by the people familiar with the probe would probably cause authorities to try to move as quickly as possible to recover sensitive documents that could cause grave harm to U.S. security. “If that is true, it would suggest that material residing unlawfully at Mar-a-Lago may have been classified at the highest classification level,” said David Laufman, the former chief of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence section, which investigates leaks of classified information. “If the FBI and the Department of Justice believed there were top secret materials still at Mar-a-Lago, that would lend itself to greater ‘hair-on-fire’ motivation to recover that material as quickly as possible.”
Highly likely that the FBI had an inside source who confirmed to them that national security documents were at Maraloco.
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Former President Donald Trump called late Thursday for the “immediate” release of the federal warrant the FBI used to search his Florida estate, hours after the Justice Department had asked a court to unseal the warrant, with Attorney General Merrick Garland citing the “substantial public interest in this matter.” In messages posted on his Truth Social platform, Trump wrote, “Not only will I not oppose the release of documents ... I am going a step further by ENCOURAGING the immediate release of those documents.” He continued to assail the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago as “unAmerican, unwarranted and unnecessary.” “Release the documents now!” he wrote.

The Justice Department request earlier Thursday is striking because such documents traditionally remain sealed during a pending investigation. But the department appeared to recognize that its silence since the search had created a vacuum for bitter verbal attacks by Trump and his allies, and that the public was entitled to the FBI’s side about what prompted Monday’s action at the former president’s home. “The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” said a motion filed in federal court in Florida on Thursday.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 80d078fcb6
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CDFingers wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:23 am Well, turns out this involves the n-word: nukes. Ceaușescu by the wall, prone.

CDFingers
Gotta wonder, with TOT's love affair with putin and trump's financial difficulties..I wouldn't put it past this asshole to sell some of this stuff to Putin...for a YUGE $...maybe his tax returns will show that..That would be juicy...

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F4FEver wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:59 am
Greengunner wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:20 am And one dead already. He tried to break into an FBI building with a nail gun and rifle. Killed in a standoff with police. There will be more.
Yup, but even BIG acts of domestic terrorism...this isn't going to change anything with regards to getting the dirt of trump the traitor...
Bring a nail gun to an FBI firefight--win stupid prizes.

Something tells me their threat of civil war may be successfully compared to a puffed up nine-ounce kitten. Or to a drunk footstool, one.

CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack

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The left has Trump tried, convicted and incarcerated. The right is attacking federal law enforcement, US DOJ and the federal courts, tying them all into a single conspiracy against Trump. It all fits into Trump's plan to create chaos so he can get reelected. Political parties want partisanship, they want to motivate voters to vote for their candidates. MSM understands that you have to create conflict to get readers, so they stir the pot.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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What's worse than having Top Secret Nuclear Docs at Mar-A-Lago? This is worse.
‘Signals intel’ at Mar-a-Lago makes Trump’s scandal look so much worse

"Former senior intelligence officials said in interviews that during the Trump administration, highly classified intelligence about sensitive topics, including intelligence-gathering on Iran, was routinely mishandled," the newspaper reported. "One former official said the most highly classified information often ended up in the hands of personnel who didn’t appear to have a need to possess it or weren’t authorized to read it. That former official also said signals intelligence — intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel. Such intercepts are among the most closely guarded secrets because of what they can reveal about how the United States has penetrated foreign governments."

That pattern may not have ended when Trump left the White House after losing the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden.

"A person familiar with the inventory of 15 boxes taken from Mar-a-Lago in January indicated that signals intelligence material was included in them," the newspaper reported. "The precise nature of the information was unclear."
Former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal tweeted, "Signals intelligence (like electronic intercepts) are some of the most sensitive and secretive material in the US."

"There are a host of special markings and protections on every such document," Katyal noted.

The fact signals intelligence was reportedly recovered at Mar-a-Lago shocked national security professionals.
Full article here https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mar-a-la ... elligence/

Maybe he didn't want the love notes that were exchange between him and the Saudi Crown Prince or Kim Jong Un to be published.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but the left has stuff like this from 2019 from the House Oversight Committee:
“Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with Trump Administration’s Efforts to Transfer Sensitive Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia"
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democ ... 9-2019.pdf

Not lookin' good for the orange spirochete. He has been festooned by a Garland of his penicillin.

CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack

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We don't know for a fact that nuclear secrets was the target of the FBI warrant, WaPo is a reputable news source and they have reported it. I want to see more facts, "former officials" and "committee documents" from one party are political not non-partisan. There are plenty of opinions, how about some facts.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:44 am We don't know for a fact that nuclear secrets was the target of the FBI warrant, WaPo is a reputable news source and they have reported it. I want to see more facts, "former officials" and "committee documents" from one party are political not non-partisan. There are plenty of opinions, how about some facts.
Sorry, the facts are classified to eyes only, need to know, especially for the Signal Intel. If you knew the facts then they would have to lock you up or shoot you.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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TrueTexan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:52 am
highdesert wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:44 am We don't know for a fact that nuclear secrets was the target of the FBI warrant, WaPo is a reputable news source and they have reported it. I want to see more facts, "former officials" and "committee documents" from one party are political not non-partisan. There are plenty of opinions, how about some facts.
Sorry, the facts are classified to eyes only, need to know, especially for the Signal Intel. If you knew the facts then they would have to lock you up or shoot you.
SIGINT doesn't enter into it, no one is claiming that intel was shared on the Internet or radio, it's printed documents. We don't know what the FBI search has obtained, we'll have to wait and see if there are indictments. Partisans get played by partisan websites.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:01 am
TrueTexan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:52 am
highdesert wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:44 am We don't know for a fact that nuclear secrets was the target of the FBI warrant, WaPo is a reputable news source and they have reported it. I want to see more facts, "former officials" and "committee documents" from one party are political not non-partisan. There are plenty of opinions, how about some facts.
Sorry, the facts are classified to eyes only, need to know, especially for the Signal Intel. If you knew the facts then they would have to lock you up or shoot you.
SIGINT doesn't enter into it, no one is claiming that intel was shared on the Internet or radio, it's printed documents. We don't know what the FBI search has obtained, we'll have to wait and see if there are indictments. Partisans get played by partisan websites.
May not be shared over the internet or radio but with TOS’s big mouth he would share it just to “impress” other people with what he knows.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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So now multiple news sources are reporting that classified documents were removed from Mar-a-Lago, including "top secret" documents that are only supposed to be available in special government facilities.

If I've got this correct, when Trump left office, he took fifteen boxes of documents from the white house, in clear violation of the presidential records act. He ignored multiple requests to return the documents. When the white house finally got the fifteen boxes back, they found that the boxes contained classified documents, bumping things up to a whole new legal level. They also discovered that he hadn't returned everything. Finally, a judge signs off on a warrant and the FBI searches the resort and recovers, you guessed it, more classified documents, some marked top secret.

Am i missing something? If not, why isn't he already in cuffs?
Whatever I said above, just pretend I included the obligatory “both sides,” especially if I said something mean about Trump (don’t want to hurt any feelings).

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FBI Recovered Eleven Sets of Classified Documents in Trump Search, Inventory Shows
https://archive.ph/KUhPc#selection-111.5-111.87
FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took around 20 boxes of items, binders of photos, a handwritten note and the executive grant of clemency for Mr. Trump’s ally Roger Stone, a list of items removed from the property shows. Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list. The list is contained in a seven-page document that also includes the warrant to search the premises which was granted by a federal magistrate judge in Florida.

The list includes references to one set of documents marked as “Various classified/TS/SCI documents,” an abbreviation that refers to top-secret/sensitive compartmented information. It also says agents collected four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret documents, and three sets of confidential documents. The list didn’t provide any more details about the substance of the documents. Mr. Trump’s lawyers argue that the former president used his authority to declassify the material before he left office. While a president has the power to declassify documents, there are federal regulations that lay out a process for doing so.

Federal agents who executed the warrant did so to investigate potential crimes associated with violations of the Espionage Act, which outlaws the unauthorized retention of national security information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; a federal law that makes it a crime to destroy or conceal a document to obstruct a government investigation; and another statute associated with unlawful removal of government materials.
The magistrate judge not only granted the Justice Department’s request for a search warrant, he determined that the department did not need to give Mr. Trump notice of the search on the grounds that doing so could result in adverse actions such as destruction of evidence, evidence tampering and intimidation of potential witnesses, according to the warrant.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/12/us/trump-news
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Republicans who days ago united in preemptive defense of Donald Trump are struggling to stay on the same page following new questions about documents that the former president was holding at his Florida residence. The FBI’s daylong search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate this week, personally approved by Attorney General Merrick Garland, sparked near-universal GOP outrage and allegations of a politicized Justice Department. In the wake of reports that the search was tied to concerns Trump may have improperly taken highly classified White House documents related to nuclear weapons and so-called special access operations, however, Republicans are politically diverging. While some GOP lawmakers acknowledged Friday that a scenario in which Trump withheld nuclear-related documents would be problematic, House Republican leaders are still rallying behind him and suggesting without evidence that President Joe Biden sought to weaponize DOJ against a political rival.
But other GOP national security hawks were notably more restrained. As new information emerged about the circumstances behind the FBI search — with still more expected later Friday after Garland moved to unseal related documents — the contrast grew starker between Republicans advancing a knee-jerk defense of the former president and those who are simply calling for additional disclosures from DOJ. Among the senior Republicans acknowledging that it’s possible the presence of highly classified information at Mar-a-Lago would be a genuine national security concern was Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee.
Some Republicans are leaving open the possibility that Trump acted inappropriately. In an interview, Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah), an Intelligence Committee member, said it was important for the panel to glean additional information and acknowledged that mishandling of sensitive classified information would be a serious violation. “I mean, if he had actual Special Access Programs — do you know how extraordinarily sensitive that is? That’s very, very sensitive. If that were actually at his residence, that would be a problem,” Stewart said. “But we just don’t know that. So let’s find out.” “When you get to compartmentalized classified spaces, it gets more serious,” added Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), a centrist and former FBI agent, encouraged his GOP colleagues to “be responsible and measured right now” in how they’re responding to the Mar-a-Lago search.
On the other side of the aisle, Democrats remained circumspect. Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not yet commit to any congressional investigations, saying she had no more information than was publicly available. But she added that “if the nature of these documents is what it appears to be, this is very serious,” seemingly referring to reports that the documents were linked to nuclear information. “There are laws against the improper handling of this material. There are laws against that. We have to recognize that.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/1 ... e-00051418
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The warrant authorizing federal agents to search former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence was unsealed Friday by a federal judge, after the Justice Department requested that it be made public. Federal authorities sought a range of highly sensitive documents, including 11 caches of classified materials, indicating that the federal investigation was examining possible violations of the Espionage Act, according to documents unsealed Friday. The action came shortly after the Department of Justice wrote in a new court filing Friday that, after conferring with Trump's attorneys, the former president does not object to making the search warrant of his Mar-a-Lago estate public. Before the document was released, details of what the FBI was looking for in its Monday search started to be reported, including that FBI agents who searched Trump's home retrieved boxes that included 11 sets of classified documents, said a person who has reviewed the documents.

A federal judge in the Southern District of Florida has unsealed documents related to Monday's search of former President Donald Trump's estate at Mar-a-Lago. The move comes after the Department of Justice on Thursday asked the court to unseal the search warrant, attachments only called A and B, and the property receipt detailing what was seized during the search.

Trump announced the search himself, but the Justice Department did not speak publicly about the matter until Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the motion to unseal on Thursday.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 306846002/


The warrant.
https://embed.documentcloud.org/documen ... ebar=false
Two months before the FBI executed its search at Donald Trump's Florida estate, the former president was served with a subpoena seeking sensitive government documents that investigators believed Trump had stored there after his White House term had ended, a personal familiar with the matter said Thursday.

The disclosure provides new context to the Justice Department's efforts to secure the government records, short of taking the unprecedented action earlier this week to search a former president's home. The subpoena was related to a visit federal authorities made to the Mar-a-Lago property in June when the Secret Service assisted with the entry to the estate, said the person who is not authorized to comment publicly.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 302760002/
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TrueTexan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:43 pm As this unfolds we can realize this isn't a smoking gun they found but smoking cannons.
...................and it doesn't mean jack shit to turd trumpers!!
"Being Republican is more than a difference of opinion - it's a character flaw." "COVID can fix STUPID!"
The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made in USA was electing DJT as POTUS.

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Bisbee wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:18 pm We cannot normalize anonymous police officers. They hold special privileges to employing violence in society so they should be clearly identifiable at all times. Anonymity encourage unaccountability and abuse of powers. That BS they pulled in Portland with anonymous agents in unmarked vans kidnapping protesters off the streets in 2021 is clear abuse of police powers.
Indeed, it was and would be!

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FBI search warrant shows Trump under investigation for potential obstruction of justice, Espionage Act violations

The warrant shows federal law enforcement was investigating Trump for removal or destruction of records, obstruction of justice and violating the Espionage Act — which can encompass crimes beyond spying, such as the refusal to return national security documents upon request. Conviction under the statutes can result in imprisonment or fines.

The documents, unsealed after the Justice Department sought their public disclosure amid relentless attacks by Trump and his GOP allies, underscore the extraordinary national security threat that federal investigators believed the missing documents presented. The concern grew so acute that Attorney General Merrick Garland approved the unprecedented search of Trump’s estate last week.

The disclosure of the documents comes four days after Trump publicly confirmed the court-authorized search of his Mar-a-Lago home by the FBI, marshaling his political allies to unleash fierce criticism of federal investigators. But the details in the warrant underscore the gravity of the probe — an unprecedented investigation of a former president for mishandling some of the nation’s most sensitive secrets.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/ ... s-00051507

Of course TOS claims he was cooperating in the investigation. Hope he will be as cooperative when he is wearing the orange jumpsuit with the big P on the back. He will say the P stands for President.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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Truly bonehead on 45’s part.

Too lazy to follow national security protocol when leaving the WH.

Make a stink when FBI agents come to retrieve sensitive nuclear or espionage information.

Accuse Dems of personal persecution and demand unsealing the search warrant.

Have the DOJ reveal your bonehead move to the world by unsealing the search warrant.

Appear an asshat to all Conservatives and Americans of conscience.

Investigated for obstruction of justice and violating the Espionage Act to face criminal prosecution.

Claim complete cooperation with federal investigators like a simp.
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