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The video is always interesting to see, but the FBI has to painstakingly review it all and identify each rioter and show what crime the person committed. Some of the video is repetitious so for each case the best copies have to be found. The FBI has analysts and I have no doubt they hired video analysts to help them build their cases. It's ongoing, just the other day Ryan Kelley, a Rep. candidate for MI governor was arrested for a criminal act that happened January 6th 2021. It's a slow process building cases, "I feel he is guilty" doesn't cut it in court. We wouldn't want to be charged without evidence.

Liz Cheney has consistently blamed Trump and the rioters.
A week after the attack, Cheney was one of only 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump. In a statement, Cheney said that “the president of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing.”

She said Trump should have intervened, but did not. “There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution,” Cheney said. “I will vote to impeach the president.”
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-sieg ... f9c3a988bc

Peaceful transition of power is a hallmark of our system as Bisbee's quote points out. We're not a 3rd world country which holds an election and the winning candidate is then killed by the losing candidate and there is chaos.
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"The sacred obligation to defend this sacred peaceful transfer of power has been honored by every American president, except one. Donald Trump."
is what Chaney actually said as I recall.

We are two elections away from becoming a wealthy 3rd world nation run by a tin pot dictator / tyrant.
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highdesert wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:39 am The video is always interesting to see, but the FBI has to painstakingly review it all and identify each rioter and show what crime the person committed. Some of the video is repetitious so for each case the best copies have to be found. The FBI has analysts and I have no doubt they hired video analysts to help them build their cases. It's ongoing, just the other day Ryan Kelley, a Rep. candidate for MI governor was arrested for a criminal act that happened January 6th 2021. It's a slow process building cases, "I feel he is guilty" doesn't cut it in court. We wouldn't want to be charged without evidence.

Liz Cheney has consistently blamed Trump and the rioters.
A week after the attack, Cheney was one of only 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump. In a statement, Cheney said that “the president of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing.”

She said Trump should have intervened, but did not. “There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution,” Cheney said. “I will vote to impeach the president.”
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-sieg ... f9c3a988bc

Peaceful transition of power is a hallmark of our system as Bisbee's quote points out. We're not a 3rd world country which holds an election and the winning candidate is then killed by the losing candidate and there is chaos.
But the loser was willing to have the VP murdered to remain in power. Tried to get him out of the Capitol as well, knowing that Grassley The Spineless would then preside and refuse to accept electors. In only his 2nd great moment of courage, Pence refused to both accede to Trump or leave the Capitol. (His first was as VP-Elect being booed at "Hamilton", taking it in stride and calling it the voice of freedom).
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:18 am
highdesert wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:39 am The video is always interesting to see, but the FBI has to painstakingly review it all and identify each rioter and show what crime the person committed. Some of the video is repetitious so for each case the best copies have to be found. The FBI has analysts and I have no doubt they hired video analysts to help them build their cases. It's ongoing, just the other day Ryan Kelley, a Rep. candidate for MI governor was arrested for a criminal act that happened January 6th 2021. It's a slow process building cases, "I feel he is guilty" doesn't cut it in court. We wouldn't want to be charged without evidence.

Liz Cheney has consistently blamed Trump and the rioters.
A week after the attack, Cheney was one of only 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump. In a statement, Cheney said that “the president of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing.”

She said Trump should have intervened, but did not. “There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution,” Cheney said. “I will vote to impeach the president.”
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-sieg ... f9c3a988bc

Peaceful transition of power is a hallmark of our system as Bisbee's quote points out. We're not a 3rd world country which holds an election and the winning candidate is then killed by the losing candidate and there is chaos.
But the loser was willing to have the VP murdered to remain in power. Tried to get him out of the Capitol as well, knowing that Grassley The Spineless would then preside and refuse to accept electors. In only his 2nd great moment of courage, Pence refused to both accede to Trump or leave the Capitol. (His first was as VP-Elect being booed at "Hamilton", taking it in stride and calling it the voice of freedom).

Yup Pence did his job like VPs before him - Biden, Cheney, Gore, Quayle, Mondale, Rockefeller, Humphrey, Nixon... They've done their duty without regard to party affiliation back to colonial times. And state governors during the last election who certified state results, two high profile ones were Kemp in GA and Ducey in AZ.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Then we have Faux “News” refusing to even broadcast any of the hearings. Instead they had the automaton, F*cker Carlson, on for a solid hour with no ads calling it a lie and saying Faux “News” was telling the truth.

How can you tell when Carlson is lying? When somebody pulls his string.
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Wino wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:58 am
"The sacred obligation to defend this sacred peaceful transfer of power has been honored by every American president, except one. Donald Trump."
is what Chaney actually said as I recall.

We are two elections away from becoming a wealthy 3rd world nation run by a tin pot dictator / tyrant.
What I quoted was Liz Chaney's statement in 2021 after the Jan 6 riot.

I've looked up Liz Chaney's and Adam Kinzinger's positions on issues and I don't agree with much they stand for, but they did right on this issue.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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I thought it was great yesterday how Liz Cheney kept going back to quoting President Regan to spark conscience in the withered hearts of Conservatives. Also how she allowed Officer Edwards to reach back to her Korean War veteran grandfather to do the same. Highly effective IMHO.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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I'm truly enjoying the turd loudly whining and squealing like a stuck pig. Kinda reminiscent of the old saw about cats trying to cover shit on a hot tin roof.
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Liz Cheney said this
As we present these initial findings, keep two points in mind. First, our investigation is still ongoing. So what we make public here will not be the complete set of information we will ultimately disclose. And second, the Department of Justice is currently working with cooperating witnesses and has disclosed to date only some of the information it has identified from encrypted communications and other sources.
This source lists many folks who are cooperating with the DOJ and not the J6C. There are also some interesting tidbits. "He's goin' down."

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/11/t ... committee/

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Three former officials with the Department of Justice will be witnesses at the Jan. 6 hearing next Wednesday, according to a new letter sent to the Jan. 6 committee. The officials will discuss former President Trump's efforts to use the Justice Department as a weapon to stay in power, the New York Times writes. Attorney Reginald Brown wrote in a letter to the Jan. 6 select committee that the following three officials have been authorized to testify on a panel: Former Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen; Former Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue; Former Assistant Attorney General Steven Engel.

In its first hearing on Thursday, the Jan. 6 committee said it would prove Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6 Capitol attacks, Axios' Alayna Treene and Andrew Solender write. The committee said it would argue that Trump tried to install loyalists into the DOJ so it would "support his fake election claims." Axios previously reported that Trump and his allies pushed senior Justice Department officials to challenge the results of the 2020 election. Trump reportedly sent Rosen "talking points" about debunked election fraud claims in Michigan. Donough reportedly sent the same documents to U.S. attorneys for the Eastern and Western Districts of Michigan.
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/10/next-j ... of-justice

Liz Cheney is a lawyer (University of Chicago), one of 3 on the committee and understands how the legal process works.
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I try not to watch any faux news crappola but the 'they are lying', 'the first session was a dud', is pretty entertaining. trump the traitor caused the J6 insurrection, then did NOTHING to stop it for hours..neither trying to talk to the rabble or by calling in law enforcement/national guard..that speaks volumes as to his intent to try to stop the proceedings...damning..hope it results in real charges. the orange turd, as the guy sitting in the big chair as it all happened, can't cry 'victim' or 'I didn't know' type crap.

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I just read reasonable speculation that the DOJ should indict the whole orange inner circle to prepare American to indict that ham sandwich. It's like trying to bash 100 cockroaches with just a hammer, though. Some may skitter under the refrigerator. Gonna be a rocky election and rowdy next couple of years, especially if the Dems lose the House.

on edit, it may be that the Dems keep the House.
The news that multiple House Republicans asked the Trump White House for pardons – an apparent consciousness of guilt – was one of three revelations portending potentially perilous legal and political moments to come for Trump and his allies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... es-trouble


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House Democrats know that even the most damning findings from their probe into the Capitol attack may not save their majority in November. They’re still pleading with voters to pay attention. Ahead of their prime-time hearing into the deadly Jan. 6 riot this week, Democrats have the steep challenge of convincing a disillusioned American electorate to tune into their hourslong presentation about something that happened more than 500 days ago. Most voters saw the violent siege by Donald Trump supporters play out far away from their homes, and the threat it presented to democracy seems abstract — particularly since it ultimately failed to keep Joe Biden from the White House.

All of which lends an air of fatalism to Democrats’ approach to the hearings. They readily acknowledge the election less six months away will be determined far more by voters’ economic worries than last year’s riot. Even so, the party is using the likely diminishing days of its majority for what members call a history-book moment, aiming to reshape public perception of the GOP faction that enabled Trump’s effort to subvert the democratic process as the former president appears on the verge of another run.
But the effects of the Democrats’ narrative might not show right away, and they know it; many privately say they don’t see the hearings dramatically reversing the headwinds against them in November.
Polling shows that public belief that Trump had a clear role in the attack has been fading since January 2021, except among the Democrats’ most ardent supporters. One-third of Americans now believe Trump bears no responsibility for the attack, according to a Pew Research poll in January, up from one-quarter of people surveyed a year earlier.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/0 ... 4-00038305

Democrats delayed the hearings to have the biggest impact on the Midterm elections, but during that time people have moved on and the Jan 6 riot is less important than economic issues.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Democrats delayed the hearings to have the biggest impact on the Midterm elections, but during that time people have moved on and the Jan 6 riot is less important than economic issues.


People MAY think the economy is the issue, but saving our nation from fascism is the actual REAL issue. It is a mistake to believe otherwise. It's sad to believe most don't seem to care about politics, elections and their ramifications on our nation.
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A friend of ours has a "friend" who voted for Trump 2x simply because the idiot thought he would lower HER taxes. Since the "friend" is not uber-rich, or even vaguely rich, she's too stupid to realize that she is one of the very people that Trump and his ilk see as sheep to be sheared. Witness Rick Scott's proposal to force everyone regardless of income to pay taxes, to "have skin in the game" while HE voted to lower taxes on the uber-wealthy, including himself.
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A lot of people voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, not everyone liked him. They voted for the Republican agenda of smaller government and cutting taxes and they didn't get either one. And some gun owners voted for Trump thinking he'd give them concealed carry reciprocity in all states and he never did it, but still got $40 million from the NRA.
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sig230 wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:38 am Ratings tell the tale.

NBA and NHL and College World Series vs old white men talking.
In this case, I don't think ratings is a good yard stick because some folks will be at work. Then there's another Wednesday. I think how much press these two get will be more telling.

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The committee announced before the hearing began that Stepien, who was Trump’s final campaign manager, had a family emergency and a lawyer would read a statement on his behalf. The panel is expected to use clips from Stepien’s deposition recorded during the committee’s investigation, and the hearing start was delayed until at least 7:30 a.m. Pacific.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... ings-day-2
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