Virginia militia efforts beginning

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Virginia militia efforts beginning

#1 Post by featureless » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:07 pm

Branching off the main thread, Virginians are beginning the effort to push counties to organize the militia. This is a big step and seems too important to get lost in the other thread. More at the link
https://virginia113.com/

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#2 Post by AndyH » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:40 pm

Good to see action, but I do wish they didn't blame their problem on "leftists".
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#3 Post by featureless » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:41 pm

Agreed. Not sure when the escalation will subside...

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#4 Post by highdesert » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:06 pm

Yes softly softly, not like the A Team. Liked seeing
Handguns shall be safely carried only in a holster. Long guns shall be unloaded and carried only via a sling worn on the person.
And reference to current laws and not some amorphous reference to patriots.
WHEREAS, the natural right of self-defense with arms belongs both to the individual and to the People of this County, collectively; and is recognized in Article 1 Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution, which describes the “militia” as “the body of the people, trained to arms” and ordains that “in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power;” and this natural right is also recognized in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution;...


Look forward to seeing how this peacefully progresses.
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#5 Post by K9s » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:43 am

Northam to announce temporary ban on firearms on the grounds of Va. state Capitol, according to two people briefed on his plans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... story.html

Gov. Ralph Northam (D) is expected to make the announcement on Wednesday. The move, which was first reported by the Associated Press, comes just days after newly empowered Democrats banned guns from the Capitol building and an adjacent legislative office building. And it comes just ahead of a gun rights rally planned for Monday that has drawn interest from militias and extremist groups around the country.
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#6 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:48 am

What's he worried about? If what he's planning is constitutionally defensible, shouldn't he be sleeping better at night?

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#7 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:16 am

I think Northam just proved why we have a second amendment. Still hoping for a peaceful resolution, but he's not helping his case.

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#8 Post by SubRosa » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:53 am

It would be interesting to see what develops when several thousand openly armed people break the rule of banning same on the capitol grounds.

Hmmm...

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#9 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:24 am

SubRosa wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:53 am
It would be interesting to see what develops when several thousand openly armed people break the rule of banning same on the capitol grounds.

Hmmm...

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Well, liberal activists wear protest arrests as badges of honor. It's interesting that the majority of gun owners are lawful folk and this will be a stumbling block. Protest and break the emergency law and risk arrest or... I'm not quite sure which way I'd go if I lived in VA.

Perhaps it's true that gun owners are by and large law abiding and these laws only hurt them with no obvious detriment to criminals? Nah. Bloomberg, et. al. have me convinced we're all just latent killers. :sarcasm:

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Re: Virginia militia efforts beginning

#10 Post by SubRosa » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:32 am

It'd be one helluva mass arrest, no?

They're gonna' need a bigger jail...

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#11 Post by mrcee12 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 am

Hopefully they'll be well regulated.

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#12 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:53 am

Thinking on it some more, if I were a VA resident, I'd be present, armed and outside of the officially declared no-go zone. Numbers are important. So is remaining responsibly sane and calm. I don't think having the NRA represented there helps the cause. At. All. Perhaps a guillotine could be pushed inside of the fence perimeter as a statement? :)

California has no version of the 2A in the state constitution and open carry has been banned for decades, so we have very little to stand on here while the legislature and the courts ignore the US Constitution and SCOTUS. We've been slowly boiled. I wish Virginians the very best.

And just so you all don't think I'm going in on the GOP grandstanding or some such silliness, after Trump's election, I rented and filled a bus with people to attend the Women's March in Sacramento to add numbers at the state capital rather than attend a local demonstration. Utilizing our 1A rights is important. We must speak loudly and in numbers for what we believe in. I believe in equal rights and I believe in gun rights.

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#13 Post by SubRosa » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:12 pm

Another well-armed leftist. :ras:

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#14 Post by highdesert » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:15 pm

featureless wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:53 am
And just so you all don't think I'm going in on the GOP grandstanding or some such silliness, after Trump's election...
The Bill of Rights doesn't belong to either party, it's just that some parties emphasize some amendments and parts therein more than others. The 1st Amendment has a number of elements and I agree with all of them.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I bitch as much as anyone about Democrats and their anti-gun agenda but I'm also not a knee-jerk voter who thinks whatever Republicans favor Democrats have to take the opposite side. There are areas where we can have common ground and 2A is one.
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Re: Virginia militia efforts beginning

#15 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:26 pm

SubRosa wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:12 pm
Here is a remedy...

http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bill_Statu ... illtype=cr#

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That remedy is no different than all the free states telling Californians and New Yorkers to move. If anything, VA is proving the error of that advice.

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#16 Post by SubRosa » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:39 pm

Sorry, you've misread. WVa is proposing to 'annex' part of Va and thereby eliminate the jurisdiction thereby. No moving required.

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#17 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:53 pm

SubRosa wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:39 pm
Sorry, you've misread. WVa is proposing to 'annex' part of Va and thereby eliminate the jurisdiction thereby. No moving required.

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No, I know what's being offered. The point is, Virginia thought they were secure from this sort of gun control. If it's not ended, when will it come to West Virginia? With the next Dem super majority (federal or state). That's the point.

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#18 Post by AndyH » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:17 pm

It might be a good time for the rest of the country to push their 2A Sanctuary status as well. The Dems are already talking about bans in Texas. The nationwide anti-gun effort will be strengthened a great deal if Virginia 'falls' to them.
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#19 Post by wooglin » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:24 pm

An UNarmed pro 2A protest would be grand. Unworkable, but grand.

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#20 Post by JohnNewell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:45 pm

The first wave of Confederate militia are reportedly assembling now ...
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#21 Post by K9s » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:10 pm

wooglin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:24 pm
An UNarmed pro 2A protest would be grand. Unworkable, but grand.
I think that is a better move. Getting arrested on a gun charge is not a good thing to have on a protester's record. It might end up as a way to lose your firearms.
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#22 Post by NegativeApproach » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:14 pm

wooglin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:24 pm
An UNarmed pro 2A protest would be grand. Unworkable, but grand.
3,000-5,000 people do that every year in Illinois. It gets next to no coverage though.

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#23 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:20 pm

K9s wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:10 pm
wooglin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:24 pm
An UNarmed pro 2A protest would be grand. Unworkable, but grand.
I think that is a better move. Getting arrested on a gun charge is not a good thing to have on a protester's record. It might end up as a way to lose your firearms.
25,000 unarmed people protested NY's SAFE Act. Zero result. While I am conflicted about armed protests and generally think they are the dumbest fucking idea ever (not really conflicted at all), this would be an exception. The risk of arrest is high but the risk of being convicted is low (there's no existing law that prohibits it in VA and the emergency declaration that may be issues is in conflict with existing law saying citizens can't be disarmed during emergencies). The bigger risk is that someone does something stupid and bullets go both ways. But that is indeed what the 2A is for, so it is entirely in .gov's hands to listen to the people. Or not.

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#24 Post by lurker » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:28 pm

show up with an airsoft AR? i'm more of a passive resistance type of guy. i think forming militias is a mistake. how is that genie going to be stuffed back in the bottle?
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#25 Post by AndyH » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:35 pm

lurker wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:28 pm
show up with an airsoft AR? i'm more of a passive resistance type of guy. i think forming militias is a mistake. how is that genie going to be stuffed back in the bottle?
Has the militia ever been 'un-formed' since before we were a country?
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