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Guardian article, "Clashing egos and 'policy incontinence': inside Labour's campaign". It was chaos.
The former cabinet minister Alan Johnson complained that Corbyn “couldn’t lead the working class out of a paper bag”.
Alan Johnson held a number of cabinet positions under Labour prime ministers including Home Secretary, he's a former postman.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ign-behind
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Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell have apologised over Labour's "catastrophic" defeat in Thursday's election, which saw them lose 59 seats. Mr Corbyn said he was "sorry that we came up short", while Mr McDonnell told the BBC he "owns this disaster". The leader and shadow chancellor [McDonnell] said they would step down in the new year.
Labour suffered its worst election result since 1935 on Thursday and saw its vote share fall by eight points. The Conservatives won a Commons majority of 80 - the party's biggest election win for 30 years - sweeping aside Labour in its traditional heartlands.
Mr McDonnell said it "should be a woman leader next" and was "most probably time for a non-metropolitan" leader, adding: "I think it is time for a non-London MP, we need a northern voice as much as possible."
Tony Blair represented Sedgefield, County Durham in northern England which went to the Conservatives. As Blair's former manager commented Sedgefield has always been conservative with a small "c" but voted Labour.

Meanwhile, the Conservatives are preparing for the first week of their new government. Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Rishi Sunak, told Andrew Marr it was their "intention" to bring back Boris Johnson's Brexit bill to Parliament "before Christmas" - although he would not confirm the date. "As soon as possible would be perfect," he said. "But obviously those conversations are happening between the relevant parties and the House authorities as we speak."

MPs will return to Westminster on Tuesday and begin the process of swearing in, before the Queen formally opens Parliament on Thursday. Mr Johnson's Queen's Speech will include a commitment by the party to put its NHS spending plan into law as a symbol of commitment to the health service.
But Mr Gove said the government would not grant Scotland another referendum on independence, despite the success of the SNP in Thursday's election.

The party, which campaigns for an independent Scotland, won 48 seats - up from 35 - and its leader, Nicola Sturgeon, said she had "earned the right to pursue the plan" for another vote. Ms Sturgeon, who is also First Minister of Scotland, said: "They will rage against reality for as long as they can but Scotland has chosen a very different kind of future than most of the rest of the UK, and they cant stand in the way of the will of the Scottish people. "Fundamentally democracy has to be offered and respected."
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50799792

Independence is the whole reason for the existence of the SNP, but they are a regional party they don't run candidates outside of Scotland. Scotland has 8.3% of the UK population which is 66.4 million, they are very small. The term of Parliament is five years and it's Boris' show with a majority of 80 seats.

So the Brexit bill will be passed before Christmas and the UK will definitely be a done deal by January 31, 2020.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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The single most important issue being voted on was Brexit. The Tories were unambiguously supportive, Labour was for another referendum on a more kindly Brexit, in other words a re-vote, in other words remain. The portions of Labour that swung strongest for the Tories were working class, the poorest in society, the people hurt most by globalisation and open borders for labor competition from Eastern Europe. One commentator describes the two major parties of the Anglo world as the Brahmin Party and the Merchant Party, none of which represent the interests of the largest constituency which is working class.

The Media is mostly Brahmins working on a trust fund, parents, spouse or other source of funding, often freelancing as traditional media is on the skids. They can no more understand the working class as they can work the floor of a semi submersible drill ship on the North Sea. They blame it on Corbin's anti semitic remarks or Russians or Johnsons charisma, anything but the fact that they call working class people racists, privileged, cis, white, and whatever woke expression tickles their fancy, all the while supporting policies that do nothing for those people who struggle under increasingly difficult circumstances, people who truly have no privilege. It's very similar to here except that Trump is more odious.

I've no way to predict how things will shake out here or over in Britain. Labour is a political party but not of labor.

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Scotland and Northern Ireland are going to force a showdown at some point. The English cities didn't vote for Boris, either. These areas lose the most in Brexit.

I do wonder how many Remain voters will request an Irish passport or move to the EU. While Boris probably won't "allow" independence for Scotland or NI to leave, the division of society they created to get Brexit cannot be good.
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K9s wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:38 pm Scotland and Northern Ireland are going to force a showdown at some point. The English cities didn't vote for Boris, either. These areas lose the most in Brexit.

I do wonder how many Remain voters will request an Irish passport or move to the EU. While Boris probably won't "allow" independence for Scotland or NI to leave, the division of society they created to get Brexit cannot be good.
Scotland is large but isn't wealthy, the EU has already said that they wouldn't extend membership to Scotland if it became independent. It would set a precedent, then Catalonia in Spain, Corsica in France...would want independence and EU membership. Not sure that the Irish Republic wants Nor Ireland, Churchill offered it to Eamon de Valera the Irish PM at the beginning of WWII and de Valera turned it down. Quite a few British subjects live on the Continent and have been applying for EU passports, France, Germany and Spain seem to be the most popular countries.

Whenever the Labour Party kicks off the leadership campaign, it's a 10 week process. And then there will be housecleaning to get rid of the Corbynites and the rebuilding will start. Whoever wins might not last for five years to fight the next general election. I think Keir Starmer would be the best choice but he'll have competition.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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The government plans to ask MPs to vote on Boris Johnson's Brexit bill on Friday, [Dec 20] Downing Street has said. The PM's spokesman said the government planned to start the process in Parliament before Christmas and will do so "in discussion with the Speaker". The withdrawal agreement bill is the legislation that will enable Brexit to happen - the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 January.

It comes as the PM prepares to address his new MPs in Westminster. Many of the 109 new Conservative MPs won in areas traditionally held by Labour in Thursday's election, which saw the Conservatives gain an 80-seat majority. Mr Johnson is also expected to carry out a mini cabinet reshuffle. He needs to fill posts made vacant by those who stood down ahead of the general election, including the culture and Welsh secretary posts. The prime minister has also cleared a parliamentary report into alleged Russian interference in UK democracy for publication.

The Queen will formally open Parliament on Thursday when she sets out the government's legislative programme. The prime minister's official spokesman told a Westminster briefing: "We plan to start the process [of the withdrawal agreement bill] before Christmas and will do so in the proper constitutional way in discussion with the Speaker." Asked if the legislation would be identical to that introduced in the last Parliament, the spokesman said: "You will have to wait for it to be published but it will reflect the agreement that we made with the EU on our withdrawal."

The bill is expected to pass through Parliament in time to meet Boris Johnson's promise for the UK to leave the EU on 31 January. Mr Johnson then has to negotiate a new trade agreement with the EU and have it ratified before the end of the post-Brexit transition period that ends on 31 December 2020. He has repeatedly said that the transition period will not be extended. The Queen's Speech is also expected to include legislation linked to pledges made during the election campaign - most notably a guarantee on NHS funding.

The prime minister's spokesman also said Mr Johnson had "carefully considered" the report from the Commons Intelligence and Security Committee into alleged Russian interference in UK democracy. "He is content publication would not prejudice the functions of those bodies that safeguard our national security," the spokesman said. "Publication will be a matter for the new ISC in due course."

Elsewhere, moves to get the Northern Ireland government at Stormont up and running again are also expected, with talks resuming on Monday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50811026

Once the bill passes the Commons it goes to the Lords and then to Buck House for royal assent. Stormont is the seat of the Nor Ireland assembly, BoJo talked with Leo Varadkar the Irish PM after the election last week about getting the Assembly up and running, it hasn't sat since 2017. During the interim the UK Parliament legalized abortion and same sex marriage in NI which the assembly had previously refused to do.
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