clinton - 62,215,085 (48%) popular votes
trump - 61,054,350 (47.1%) popular votes
difference 1,160,735 0.9%
Updated on Nov 18, 2016 7:24 PM Source: AP
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77You have Wasserman's link - he's showing Clinton ahead by 1.1%. CA has 2.9 million unprocessed ballots, most in LA and San Diego counties. Doubt they'll finish by Thanksgiving.lurker wrote:clinton - 62,215,085 (48%) popular votes
trump - 61,054,350 (47.1%) popular votes
difference 1,160,735 0.9%
Updated on Nov 18, 2016 7:24 PM Source: AP
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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78yes. but i'm going to continue to use the google link for consistency. please fel free to update from your source if you like. the more you know, bla bla bla..highdesert wrote:You have Wasserman's link - he's showing Clinton ahead by 1.1%. CA has 2.9 million unprocessed ballots, most in LA and San Diego counties. Doubt they'll finish by Thanksgiving.lurker wrote:clinton - 62,215,085 (48%) popular votes
trump - 61,054,350 (47.1%) popular votes
difference 1,160,735 0.9%
Updated on Nov 18, 2016 7:24 PM Source: AP
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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79No problem, eventually AP and Wasserman should be at the same point, after challenges and recounts.lurker wrote:yes. but i'm going to continue to use the google link for consistency. please fel free to update from your source if you like. the more you know, bla bla bla..highdesert wrote:You have Wasserman's link - he's showing Clinton ahead by 1.1%. CA has 2.9 million unprocessed ballots, most in LA and San Diego counties. Doubt they'll finish by Thanksgiving.lurker wrote:clinton - 62,215,085 (48%) popular votes
trump - 61,054,350 (47.1%) popular votes
difference 1,160,735 0.9%
Updated on Nov 18, 2016 7:24 PM Source: AP
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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80Both got less than 26% of the electorate, each. Zero mandate.
In a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich the chicken and cow are involved while the pig is committed.
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81clinton -62,523,126 (48%) popular votes
trump - 61,201,031 (47%) popular votes
difference 1,322,095 1.0%
Updated on Nov 19, 2016 9:21 AM
trump - 61,201,031 (47%) popular votes
difference 1,322,095 1.0%
Updated on Nov 19, 2016 9:21 AM
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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82You must remember the lesson of Bush Jr. Winning is all the mandate you need.ErikO wrote:Both got less than 26% of the electorate, each. Zero mandate.
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83thats right. It's a republic.eelj wrote:I like the checks and balance system, giving the most densely populated states all of the say would be a disaster. In California if they had their way they would divert the Columbia river down into California and run pipelines from the great lakes over any sacred tribal land that stood in the way just so they could water their lawns and wash their cars. I guess that is the base belief in having a republic, the small and weak have as much say as the big and strong.TrueTexan wrote:The Electoral College was placed in the constitution along with the appointment of Senators by the state legislatures to put a layer between the voters whims and the government. It was also included to give a bigger voice to the less populated slave states along with the 3/5 of a person compromise so he slave owning states would agree to accept the constitution.
Under the Electoral College system why should the voters of Wyoming population of 586,107 have a greater say in the election of a president over California or Texas. They do have more say because they get three Electoral College votes for that small population compared to the amount of votes for the population of California or Texas.
It is time to rid ourselves of this anachronism and let the majority of the voting people decide the election.
Besides who's going to call for a new constitutional convention?
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84A republic...if we can keep it...
These maps from the 2012 and 2016 elections show, I think, why we need the Electoral College now more than ever.
2012:
2016:
The rest of the visualizations are enlightening as well.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/
Which, I guess, is why this makes so much sense:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-t ... lks-about/
These maps from the 2012 and 2016 elections show, I think, why we need the Electoral College now more than ever.
2012:
2016:
The rest of the visualizations are enlightening as well.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/
Which, I guess, is why this makes so much sense:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-t ... lks-about/
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85Nice maps, points out that HRC didn't turn out voters like Obama did in 2012. Trump didn't win by a landslide it wasn't a blowout, but he won more votes than HRC in three key states of WI, MI and PA. The maps also show that Obama won more votes in the Northeast states than Clinton. Good visual comparison.
HRC was in effect a third term for Obama, she didn't make any major policy shifts. 3rd terms are hard with the best candidates, people are tired of the party in power after 8 years and want change. HRC wasn't the right candidate and she carried the wrong messages. Remember the message that was posted in Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992 - "It's the economy stupid!"
HRC was in effect a third term for Obama, she didn't make any major policy shifts. 3rd terms are hard with the best candidates, people are tired of the party in power after 8 years and want change. HRC wasn't the right candidate and she carried the wrong messages. Remember the message that was posted in Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992 - "It's the economy stupid!"
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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86I consider HRC represented the 10th term of the same old same old. You cannot discount the fuck you quality of the trump vote.highdesert wrote:Nice maps, points out that HRC didn't turn out voters like Obama did in 2012. Trump didn't win by a landslide it wasn't a blowout, but he won more votes than HRC in three key states of WI, MI and PA. The maps also show that Obama won more votes in the Northeast states than Clinton. Good visual comparison.
HRC was in effect a third term for Obama, she didn't make any major policy shifts. 3rd terms are hard with the best candidates, people are tired of the party in power after 8 years and want change. HRC wasn't the right candidate and she carried the wrong messages. Remember the message that was posted in Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992 - "It's the economy stupid!"
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87http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/po ... .html?_r=0Clinton’s popular vote lead surpasses two million.
With new votes tallied from New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland and California, Mrs. Clinton’s popular vote lead reached 2,017,563 overnight.
Hillary Clinton's national popular vote lead just surpassed 2 million (1.5%): https://t.co/j58GaxfPmH
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) Nov. 23, 2016
Mrs. Clinton’s lead now exceeds the winning percentages of seven presidents, five of whom also won the Electoral College. And it has given rise to a push from liberal activists to demand audits in three states won narrowly by Mr. Trump: Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
But mainly it is pointing toward a structural disadvantage Democrats have with the Electoral College: Their voters are too concentrated in the bright blue states of the West Coast and Northeast. Democrats have now won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections, but lost two of them (Al Gore in 2000, and Mrs. Clinton now) in the Electoral College.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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88If I were to write a cool fiction story, I'd have Hil challenge the vote count in one of the three very close states and win. Trump would be happy he could avoid the real work of governing and go back to starting his deplorable media empire.
That way the international corporate elites would get their way and Trump would get his. And we'd unfortunately get UBC.
But it's fiction.
CDFingers
That way the international corporate elites would get their way and Trump would get his. And we'd unfortunately get UBC.
But it's fiction.
CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack
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89Change is a pipe dream. There are too many invested in the idea that the over-represented "wholesome" white people in the heartland should, by rights, have more say than the "degenerate" overeducated dark people on the coasts who are too contaminated by foreign influences. It's a permanent win for the true heartland Real America folks. Nothing will change.