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DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:33 pm
by DispositionMatrix
Fried v. Garland

Motion to dismiss.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 7.14.0.pdf
B. Disarming Unlawful Drug Users Is Consistent With History And Tradition
Article:
https://archive.ph/vx4ry

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:36 pm
by featureless
Of all the problems that need fixing...

And Christ on a cracker, using past racist prohibitions to support today's restrictions? Bastards.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:46 pm
by tonguengroover
But states legalize it.
However in possesion and being stoned is a different story like alcohol.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:48 pm
by DispositionMatrix
Bonus points for "Fried" plaintiff.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:44 pm
by highdesert
Nikki Fried is a Democrat and the elected Commissioner of Agriculture of Florida. She's running for governor, her main opponent is former governor Charlie Crist. The primary is August 23rd. The FL Ag Commissioner issues FL concealed carry licenses. Her involvement has to be political.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:53 am
by F4FEver
highdesert wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:44 pm Nikki Fried is a Democrat and the elected Commissioner of Agriculture of Florida. She's running for governor, her main opponent is former governor Charlie Crist. The primary is August 23rd. The FL Ag Commissioner issues FL concealed carry licenses. Her involvement has to be political.
Really? What's the rationale behind that?

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:27 am
by highdesert
Will Hall, an attorney with the Dean, Mead & Dunbar firm who represents the plaintiffs, told The News Service of Florida that the Supreme Court ruling puts the onus on Garland’s office to justify the gun restriction. “Our reading of the case is the federal government has to show that this regulation, which is basically treating medical marijuana patients as if they are just, per se, too violent to possess guns, has some kind of historical tradition, and we just don’t see it,” Hall said Tuesday.

Hall said Fried’s legal team scoured the issue to see if there was “any equivalent regulation” in the distant past. “We just can’t find it,” he said. “There’s really no equivalent for what we have in medical marijuana now, which is that the states have made it legal and the federal government has, not just through a letter or some promise but through law, said we will protect those programs from interference.” Fried, a lawyer who is Florida’s lone statewide elected Democrat, is a “huge advocate” for “reasonable gun laws that make people safer,” Hall noted.

“Her view is that this regulation just doesn’t make anyone more safe. If anything, it makes people less safe because it pushes them towards, if you’re a medical marijuana patient who wants to buy a gun, pushes you to a private sale versus a gun store where you actually follow the ATF protocols,” he said, referring to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
https://www.winknews.com/2022/07/13/nik ... marijuana/

She's running for governor and wants to be a friend to marijuana users, concealed carry licensees and gun owners. She supported Florida's 2016 legalization of marijuana.
“Quite simply, there is no historical tradition of denying individuals their Second Amendment rights based solely (or even partially) on the use of marijuana,” the lawsuit said. “In fact, historical evidence shows that marijuana was considered a legitimate and legal form of medicine in England, America, and other western countries through the mid-Nineteenth and early-Twentieth Centuries.”

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:07 am
by featureless
Pot was made illegal federally in 1970 via the Controlled Substances Act. That hardly fits with history and tradition. The feds claim they have a long tradition of keeping dangerous people from having guns and cite laws prohibiting indians from having guns. It's not a good look.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:26 pm
by Bisbee
Unfortunately any rational argument they’d use for intoxication affecting judgement would apply to alcohol as well.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:57 pm
by papajim2jordan
Rheumatiz medicine, anyone?

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/209 ... heir-necks

Medical Malt, just what the doctor ordered!

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:13 pm
by Bisbee
That’s hilarious! A 17 y/o kid made up that image of the St Bernards carrying brandy on rescue missions! This despite the fact that alcohol would be the last thing you should give a freezing human body trapped in snow if you wanted them to live. I’ve thought long and hard about this very question over the years and only now know this fanciful idea about St Bernards is complete fiction. Funny how cultural ideas are born then carry a life of their own.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:15 pm
by featureless
Really, the DOJ could save a lot of time by arguing that only the "right" people should have guns. Those being white, wealthy and straight (in all the various meanings). Oh, and so too should the right people's body guards. That is essentially what they are arguing. Surprised they didn't throw in the history of preventing blacks from having guns to back themselves up. Fuckers.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:22 pm
by FrontSight
First question usually destroys their argument...

Does that apply to local and state law enforcement?
Go to small town USA and I'll bet you 3/4 of the cops are using. Seems to be the story in my county.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:15 am
by CDFingers
Looks like "states rights" continues to have a flexible meaning. Not appropriate.

CDFingers

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:42 am
by papajim2jordan
Just took my oldest cat to the vet, diagnosed with the feline version of epilepsy and prescribed phenobarbital. I have read that marijuana can also control seizures of this type and since she already loves catnip...

https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/alte ... -marijuana

Seems there is a breath test for the cannabis crowd to demonstrate their fitness or lack thereof for engaging in driving, shooting, or typing crapola and posting online so as to keep the disturbance at a low roar.

https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/20 ... marijuana/

This discussion should be had on the history of medical efficacy and effectiveness, not political prejudice. If the stuff works, then use it.

Technology changes, attitudes change, laws must change to work with the reality on the ground.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am
by tonguengroover
Its been my experience that stoners are pretty much non violent as compared to alcohol and meth abusers.
Personally I don't partake in any drug use and gave up Ganja decades ago. I even stopped taking CBD.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:07 am
by F4FEver
tonguengroover wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am Its been my experience that stoners are pretty much non violent as compared to alcohol and meth abusers.
Personally I don't partake in any drug use and gave up Ganja decades ago. I even stopped taking CBD.
Stoners just go to Taco Bell..they don't beat up their girlfriends.

Coffee?

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:55 pm
by papajim2jordan
F4FEver wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:07 am
tonguengroover wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am Its been my experience that stoners are pretty much non violent as compared to alcohol and meth abusers.
Personally I don't partake in any drug use and gave up Ganja decades ago. I even stopped taking CBD.
Stoners just go to Taco Bell..they don't beat up their girlfriends.

Coffee?
I know I'd have to be stoned to eat at Taco Bell.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:41 pm
by Wino
papajim2jordan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:55 pm
F4FEver wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:07 am
tonguengroover wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am Its been my experience that stoners are pretty much non violent as compared to alcohol and meth abusers.
Personally I don't partake in any drug use and gave up Ganja decades ago. I even stopped taking CBD.
Stoners just go to Taco Bell..they don't beat up their girlfriends.

Coffee?
I know I'd have to be stoned to eat at Taco Bell.
Ain't that the truth!!!! Not sure how they get away with calling that crap Mexican food.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:15 pm
by Bisbee
papajim2jordan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:42 am Just took my oldest cat to the vet, diagnosed with the feline version of epilepsy and prescribed phenobarbital. I have read that marijuana can also control seizures of this type and since she already loves catnip...

https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/alte ... -marijuana
Based on that article I can suggest you spike Fluffy’s food with a little CBD oil. Not a lot. Just a small, consistent amount since CBD has to build up in the body to have any effect on the regulatory system.

Do not crush weed and feed it to your cat. That’s a bad idea, especially since the compounds in the raw leaf isn’t bio-available until it is heated.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:35 am
by papajim2jordan
Bisbee wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:15 pm
papajim2jordan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:42 am Just took my oldest cat to the vet, diagnosed with the feline version of epilepsy and prescribed phenobarbital. I have read that marijuana can also control seizures of this type and since she already loves catnip...

https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/alte ... -marijuana
Based on that article I can suggest you spike Fluffy’s food with a little CBD oil. Not a lot. Just a small, consistent amount since CBD has to build up in the body to have any effect on the regulatory system.

Do not crush weed and feed it to your cat. That’s a bad idea, especially since the compounds in the raw leaf isn’t bio-available until it is heated.
So that's why they tell you to never eat the dough raw.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:02 am
by tonguengroover
I don't know about cats but when I was taking CBD I would have to take more and more for the same effect on my joint pain and pretty soon you have to buy stronger and stronger bottles. Regardless of what they say I developed a tolerance to it even though I was taking the pure unadulterated stuff, not the stuff cut with palm oil.
Make sure you do your research before giving it to pets.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:10 pm
by papajim2jordan
I should be more careful in how I word my postings as I wouldn't give the cat anything not vet prescribed or approved, except the cheese I wrap her medicine in. That's how my wife gets me to take my meds.

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:07 am
by maybelle
papajim2jordan wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:35 am
Bisbee wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:15 pm
papajim2jordan wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:42 am Just took my oldest cat to the vet, diagnosed with the feline version of epilepsy and prescribed phenobarbital. I have read that marijuana can also control seizures of this type and since she already loves catnip...

https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/alte ... -marijuana
Based on that article I can suggest you spike Fluffy’s food with a little CBD oil. Not a lot. Just a small, consistent amount since CBD has to build up in the body to have any effect on the regulatory system.
Guys, in fact, there will still be a bunch of amendments to the laws. Now it's not worth wasting your nerves on this. I read a lot about medical marijuana, found a link for this. I think this is the right decision and I hope it will soon be in effect in all states. Let's see what happens over time. It takes time to make it so that everyone likes everything.
Do not crush weed and feed it to your cat. That’s a bad idea, especially since the compounds in the raw leaf isn’t bio-available until it is heated.
So that's why they tell you to never eat the dough raw.
yes, that's for sure

Re: DOJ argues Medical Marijuana users have no RKBA

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:19 am
by tonguengroover
I've been thinking about pot gummies to help me sleep. That CDB stuff is too expensive. Anyone know if they make sleepy time gummies?
I have arthritis so I wake up in pain a lot. Thats why I was taking CBD, it helped.