Re: California AG emphasizes state's existing “good moral character” requirement
51Yes, gun owners must be punished, obviously.
Yes because Democratic politicians never stereotype or discriminate like Republicans do.
Exactly. Much moral high ground.highdesert wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:09 amYes because Democratic politicians never stereotype or discriminate like Republicans do.
CDFingers,CDFingers wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:03 pm I don't think I can adequately compare gun rights and abortion. Yes, we have laws in California where I can't have certain guns, but I can have others. There is no comparison. A woman can't be just a little pregnant. I think it's a rat fink comparison from a privileged gender. Sorry.
CDFingers
There has never been a proposal to ban all guns. To compare with abortion is sketchy at best. If I can't have a certain .40 Glock in California, I can get a revolver, for example, to protect myself--whether I'm a man or woman. There is no comparison for a man with respect to abortion.featureless wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:41 pmCDFingers,CDFingers wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:03 pm I don't think I can adequately compare gun rights and abortion. Yes, we have laws in California where I can't have certain guns, but I can have others. There is no comparison. A woman can't be just a little pregnant. I think it's a rat fink comparison from a privileged gender. Sorry.
CDFingers
I want to circle back to this comment after a discussion I had with a female colleague and California gun owner. Her opinion is that Dems gun control efforts are forcing a woman into a choice of voting for a party that either 1) takes away a woman's control of her body or 2) takes away a woman's ability to protect her body. She's mighty pissed about it.
While I am a privileged gender, gun control negatively impact women's choice in a very similar way to abortion control. More broadly, both "controls" are put in place by men with 1) more political power and 2) more physical power. In other words, both seek to subjugate women.
Just thought it might be useful to think about in both our cases since women gun owners are very underrepresented in the discussion.
With due respect, the only reason there has not been a proposal to ban all guns is the assholes know only an incremental approach will work.CDFingers wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:15 pmThere has never been a proposal to ban all guns. To compare with abortion is sketchy at best. If I can't have a certain .40 Glock in California, I can get a revolver, for example, to protect myself--whether I'm a man or woman. There is no comparison for a man with respect to abortion.featureless wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:41 pmCDFingers,CDFingers wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:03 pm I don't think I can adequately compare gun rights and abortion. Yes, we have laws in California where I can't have certain guns, but I can have others. There is no comparison. A woman can't be just a little pregnant. I think it's a rat fink comparison from a privileged gender. Sorry.
CDFingers
I want to circle back to this comment after a discussion I had with a female colleague and California gun owner. Her opinion is that Dems gun control efforts are forcing a woman into a choice of voting for a party that either 1) takes away a woman's control of her body or 2) takes away a woman's ability to protect her body. She's mighty pissed about it.
While I am a privileged gender, gun control negatively impact women's choice in a very similar way to abortion control. More broadly, both "controls" are put in place by men with 1) more political power and 2) more physical power. In other words, both seek to subjugate women.
Just thought it might be useful to think about in both our cases since women gun owners are very underrepresented in the discussion.
CDFingers
Your focus is on "keep." But to "bear" outside the home (where a woman would most likely need protection) she must either go through CA's arduous permit process (which is about to become much worse and eliminate the ability to carry virtually everywhere) or bear illegally. So it is very much like abortion in a red state - something she should have access to as a personal choice of her body/safety that is precluded by government policy.CDFingers wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:15 pmThere has never been a proposal to ban all guns. To compare with abortion is sketchy at best. If I can't have a certain .40 Glock in California, I can get a revolver, for example, to protect myself--whether I'm a man or woman. There is no comparison for a man with respect to abortion.featureless wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:41 pmCDFingers,CDFingers wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:03 pm I don't think I can adequately compare gun rights and abortion. Yes, we have laws in California where I can't have certain guns, but I can have others. There is no comparison. A woman can't be just a little pregnant. I think it's a rat fink comparison from a privileged gender. Sorry.
CDFingers
I want to circle back to this comment after a discussion I had with a female colleague and California gun owner. Her opinion is that Dems gun control efforts are forcing a woman into a choice of voting for a party that either 1) takes away a woman's control of her body or 2) takes away a woman's ability to protect her body. She's mighty pissed about it.
While I am a privileged gender, gun control negatively impact women's choice in a very similar way to abortion control. More broadly, both "controls" are put in place by men with 1) more political power and 2) more physical power. In other words, both seek to subjugate women.
Just thought it might be useful to think about in both our cases since women gun owners are very underrepresented in the discussion.
CDFingers
I know you used to eat antis for lunch, and I thank you for your service. Sincerely.CDFingers wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:26 pm California has an arduous permit process, yes. Not banned, except for open carry, which is the responsibility of St. Ronnie. The comparison between the two is flaccid. I can't even understand how such a comparison would even be attempted. Let's say I carry illegally and pull my piece and scare off a bad guy. Show me the comparison with abortion.
I used to eat anti's for lunch, shit out their bones then pee on them. My wife is badder.
CDFingers
Agree, very different games. My focus was on the similarities with regard to control of others and denial of rights. Then they most certainly diverge.CDFingers wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:44 pm The two circles do intersect. The area of intersection is quite small when we look at what is lost when laws are made against abortion. A pregnancy is not something one can carry concealed for very long. If you're forced to give birth, that's much worse than anything an illegal carrier can suffer. I've never had to escort any person through a phalanx of evangelicals to buy a gun. Hundreds of women, yes. I've never had to drive a person wearing a bullet proof vest to go buy a gun. Several abortion doctors, yes. The intersection is small. Similarities exist, like with baseball and basketball. Very different games.
CDFingers
I’m absolutely in a woman’s corner on this, it’s her decision.CDFingers wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 am In the cool light of morning, I see I have not matured yet out of my absolutist position on a woman's right to choose. Sometimes it'll be that way, so I apologize for any offense I may have inflicted upon readers and members. A man's got to know his limitations.
CDFingers
I too believe in a woman's absolute right. No feathers ruffled here. I aim for better personal understanding, you help along that path.CDFingers wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 am In the cool light of morning, I see I have not matured yet out of my absolutist position on a woman's right to choose. Sometimes it'll be that way, so I apologize for any offense I may have inflicted upon readers and members. A man's got to know his limitations.
CDFingers
Agree. I didn’t even date till I was in college. By my junior year in high school I was 18 years old. Not that I had any intention of having sex, but the disparity in age due to legal statutes in Texas made me very uneasy. You don’t need penetration or anything close to it to be considered taking advantage of a minor.featureless wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:12 pm Yes, a woman's bodily control is absolute in my mind. I admit to personal issues with abortion in the third trimester. But those are my issue and do not alter my absolute support of a woman's choice. And I don't need it written on a page to believe it to be a Truth. And just like a responsible gun owner, even as a teen I kept my, uh, gun in proper condition so as to never contribute to a woman having to make that decision. There is the one area of the debate men have a meaningful say. Don't fucking get her pregnant.
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