Connecticut man proposes mandating new calibers for "civilians"

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Someone somewhere will see this as a good idea.
Opinion | It’s not the guns, it’s the ammunition
We’d have the opportunity for a national gun policy do-over. New, tougher gun registration and ownership policies, some already favored by NRA membership, would be enacted in conjunction with the changeover in rounds calibration. Fresh attention could be paid to newer, research-vetted strategies, such as the universal adoption of smart-gun technology and limiting the size of rounds available to civilians. Police and military would keep their current firearms and ammuntion, manufactured and distributed under strictest control.

To use the recalibrated rounds, people would have to purchase new weapons to fire them. Many would object. Why should a law-abiding citizen spend hundreds, perhaps thousands of dollars to replace one’s gun collection?

Gun manufacturers could offer a six-month window for any person eligible to turn in their old weapons and receive a partial rebate toward the purchase of new ones. For manufacturers and retailers, these sales would amount to a windfall of epic proportions.

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No. People like this have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of gun ownership and if they keep pushing their views then the debate is someday going to have to be settled by violence. There can be no compromise between people who think that ownership of military capable guns should be banned and those who think ownership of military capable weapons is necessary.
106+ recreational uses of firearms
1 defensive use
0 people injured
0 people killed

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Stiff wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:00 pm Just another stupid idea from another anti gun person with no knowledge about guns that won’t pass constitutional muster. Ammunition is part and parcel to the RKBA.

It’s like trying to abridge the 1st amendment by limiting the sale of ink.
Mexico used to control the newspapers by regulating the sale of paper.
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just googling around, wikipedia says "Estimates vary as to how many of the rifles are owned in the United States. The National Shooting Sports Foundation has estimated that approximately 5 million to 10 million AR-15 style rifles exist in the U.S. within the broader total of the 300 million firearms owned by Americans."
and the trace says "American gunmakers produced and imported 8.5 million such rifles between 1990 and 2012, and about one and two million annually every year since.
Do the math and it works out to between 15 and 20 million modern sporting rifles now in circulation. "

it's obvious to me that while gun manufacturers might like to sell us replacements for 5-20 million guns (not including the broader definition of "all semiautomatics"), it's equally obvious that no one is going to collect/confiscate/buyback 5-20 million guns without someone (or lots of someones) pushing back.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

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senorgrand wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:09 pm
Stiff wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:00 pm Just another stupid idea from another anti gun person with no knowledge about guns that won’t pass constitutional muster. Ammunition is part and parcel to the RKBA.

It’s like trying to abridge the 1st amendment by limiting the sale of ink.
Mexico used to control the newspapers by regulating the sale of paper.
Yeah, and that will never fly here.
Glad that federal government is boring again.

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Stiff wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:25 pm
senorgrand wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:09 pm
Stiff wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:00 pm Just another stupid idea from another anti gun person with no knowledge about guns that won’t pass constitutional muster. Ammunition is part and parcel to the RKBA.

It’s like trying to abridge the 1st amendment by limiting the sale of ink.
Mexico used to control the newspapers by regulating the sale of paper.
Yeah, and that will never fly here.
They'll try though...
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I didn't quite understand what he was getting at, but the sentence above the quoted section above makes it clear:
Here’s what would happen if the manufacture of today’s standard-size rounds were outlawed, and .21, .37, or .43-caliber rounds took their place: Eventually, gun owners would run out of the old ammo, and their weapons would become paperweights.
From a practical standpoint, this guy has never heard of reloading and is unaware that the low melting point of lead makes it easy to work with at home on inexpensive equipment. Nor is he aware that aside from revolvers, replacing a barrel is pretty trivial -- I suspect that if the peons were forbidden from having 9mm, but that 8.8 mm was OK, the size difference would be so inconsequential that a mere barrel swap would solve the issue in most cases.

From a legal standpoint, if this regulatory change could undo the 2A and and get him all the BS he wants in the section quoted above, he could get there without regulating caliber. He assumes that ammunition is not an arm and thus the regulation of caliber size would sail right on past that SCOTUS. That's like saying a bows are arms, but arrows aren't. You can have a knife, but it can't be sharp or pointy. Bats must be made of balsa. But if ammo isn't arms, then the caliber change regs are superfluous. If ammo is arms, it's a dead idea from the get go.

From a social standpoint, it is obviously nothing but a law designed to harass gun owners -- it won't get rid of weapons and it won't stop criminals from getting what they want on the black market, It's sole purpose is to be a jab in the eye to all the gun owning knuckledraggers -- it's culture war bullshit.
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IIRC some European countries already tried it, in Italy 9x19 wasn't legal for civilians because it's the NATO military round, but 9X21 is ok. :crazy:

Mexico has gun and caliber restrictions and as we know gangs and cartels use whatever they want including fully automatic weapons.
Number of firearms: 1

Permitted calibers and types:

Pistols up to .380. The following are prohibited: .38 super, .38 commando, 9mm Mausser, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm Commando, and similar models from other brands.
Revolvers up to .38 caliber, with the exception of .357 magnum.
http://qroo.us/2018/11/10/a-look-at-mexicos-gun-laws/
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