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Virginia lawmakers to debate assault weapon ban
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Democratic lawmakers in Virginia are set to try to advance legislation to ban assault weapons despite pushback from members of their own party.

A state House committee is scheduled to take up legislation backed by Gov. Ralph Northam on Friday that would ban the sale of certain semi-automatic firearms, including popular AR-15 style rifles. But the bill would not require current owners of assault weapons to turn them in or register them with state police, as some earlier proposals required.

“This is a compromise that takes into account folk’s concerns and is still a good bill that will help reduce mass murders in the commonwealth,” said Del. Mark Levine, a Democrat sponsoring the legislation.
Where is the compromise part of Levine's "compromise"?
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culannmac wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:24 am The committee passed it. It's now going to the house floor.

https://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/c ... 43a14.html
The House Public Safety Committee voted 12-9 on party lines Friday morning to send House Bill 961 that would ban magazines over 12 rounds to the floor of the House of Delegates.
“These guns were never ever designed for civilian use," said Del. Jeff Bourne, R-Richmond.
I guess I should not be surprised firearm prohibitionists never are challenged by the press on such statements.

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I like that the committee passed it to restrict guns and then immediately has armed LEO form a riot line to keep them safe, stop comment and threaten arrest of anyone who doesn't leave in 30 seconds. There's video over on that AR forum if you wish to watch.

At least banning and registration of legally owned "assault weapons" was dropped.

SCOTUS really needs to hurry up with the pile-o-cases they've got piled up in limbo.

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featureless wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:07 am I like that the committee passed it to restrict guns and then immediately has armed LEO form a riot line to keep them safe, stop comment and threaten arrest of anyone who doesn't leave in 30 seconds. There's video over on that AR forum if you wish to watch.

At least banning and registration of legally owned "assault weapons" was dropped.

SCOTUS really needs to hurry up with the pile-o-cases they've got piled up in limbo.
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Virginia’s Unconstitutional Attack on Gun Owners
District of Columbia v. Heller found that the Second Amendment protected weapons “in common use by law-abiding citizens.” AR-15-style weapons, the most popular rifle in America, with over a million sold every year, clearly meet this criterion. Everything about the gun, from its mechanisms to its purpose, is common. Notwithstanding the rhetoric you hear from Virginia lawmakers, some appellate-court judges, and gun-control lobby mouthpieces, the AR-15 is not, nor has it ever been, a “weapon of war.” To say so is historically and functionally incorrect. Eugene Stoner, chief engineer of ArmaLite and its parent company, Colt, designed and marketed the AR specifically for civilians in the early 1960s, years before any military version was adopted. The AR-15 is less a “weapon of war” than a 1911 handgun, which the U.S. military adopted from that year to 1986.

Not that we should have any problems with weapons of war being in civilian hands per se. Muskets and flintlock rifles, the predominant guns of the revolutionary era, were also weapons of war. The Founders wanted civilians to own lethal weapons. Sorry, John Kerry, but the Second Amendment isn’t about hunting or recreation, or even predominately about personal home protection. So, yes, ARs are indeed dangerous. That’s the point. But the concerted effort to depict ARs as especially “dangerous and unusual” is only meant to place them outside the protections of Heller.

Indeed, there is no evidence that AR-15s pose a unique threat. Simply because a small number of psychopaths happen to like the aesthetics of a popular gun doesn’t magically transform that firearm something distinctively menacing to American society. Even if one conceded for the sake of argument that the presence of criminality was a sound rationale for restricting constitutional rights — an increasingly popular argument for ignoring the First Amendment, as well — the argument to ban AR-15s would become weaker.

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lurker wrote:i thought that we gave ar15s to south vietnam as military aid before we adopted the m16? so yes, actually, used militarily, not that that matters, as pointed out above.
Nope. Different thing. Term was used prior to adoption of the M16 moniker for the military. That rifle was selectable-fire.
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Now is the time to contact Va Senators Craig Deeds, Lynwood Lewis, Joe Morrissey, and John Edwards and let them know it's not just the eyes of liberals in Virginia that are watching and graciously ask them to vote against HB861. If you can find a little time, contact the whole lot of them!
Maybe you could say something to the listed republicans about healthcare, education, infrastructure or whatever is near and dear to your heart. I've included a list(sorry about the formatting):

Member Name District Party Pocahontas Building
Phone Number District
Phone Number
George L. Barker 39 Democrat (804) 698-7539 (703) 303-1426
John J. Bell 13 Democrat (804) 698-7513 (571) 367-9080
Jennifer B. Boysko 33 Democrat (804) 698-7533 (703) 437-0086
A. Benton Chafin, Jr. 38 Republican (804) 698-7538 (276) 889-1044
Amanda F. Chase 11 Republican (804) 698-7511 (804) 698-7511
John A. Cosgrove, Jr. 14 Republican (804) 698-7514 (757) 547-3422
Bill DeSteph 8 Republican (804) 698-7508 (757) 321-8180
R. Creigh Deeds 25 Democrat (804) 698-7525 (434) 296-5491
Siobhan S. Dunnavant 12 Republican (804) 698-7512 (804) 270-5600
Adam P. Ebbin 30 Democrat (804) 698-7530 (571) 384-8957
John S. Edwards 21 Democrat (804) 698-7521 (540) 985-8690
Barbara A. Favola 31 Democrat (804) 698-7531 (703) 835-4845
Emmett W. Hanger, Jr. 24 Republican (804) 698-7524 (540) 885-6898
Ghazala F. Hashmi 10 Democrat (804) 698-7510 (804) 698-7510
Janet D. Howell 32 Democrat (804) 698-7532 (703) 709-8283
Jen A. Kiggans 7 Republican (804) 698-7507 (757) 219-2738
Lynwood W. Lewis, Jr. 6 Democrat (804) 698-7506 (757) 787-1094
Mamie E. Locke 2 Democrat (804) 698-7502 (757) 825-5880
L. Louise Lucas 18 Democrat (804) 698-7518 (757) 397-8209
David W. Marsden 37 Democrat (804) 698-7537 (571) 249-3037
T. Montgomery "Monty" Mason 1 Democrat (804) 698-7501 (757) 229-9310
Jennifer L. McClellan 9 Democrat (804) 698-7509 (804) 698-7509
Ryan T. McDougle 4 Republican (804) 698-7504 (804) 730-1026
Jeremy S. McPike 29 Democrat (804) 698-7529 (571) 316-0581
Joseph D. Morrissey 16 Democrat (804) 698-7516 (804) 737-1626
Stephen D. Newman 23 Republican (804) 698-7523 (434) 385-1065
Thomas K. Norment, Jr. 3 Republican (804) 698-7503 (757) 259-7810
Mark D. Obenshain 26 Republican (804) 698-7526 (540) 437-1451
Mark J. Peake 22 Republican (804) 698-7522 (434) 455-3382
J. Chapman Petersen 34 Democrat (804) 698-7534 (703) 349-3361
Todd E. Pillion 40 Republican (804) 698-7540 (276) 220-1209
Bryce E. Reeves 17 Republican (804) 698-7517 (540) 645-8440
Frank M. Ruff, Jr. 15 Republican (804) 698-7515 (434) 374-5129
Richard L. Saslaw 35 Democrat (804) 698-7535 (703) 978-0200
Lionell Spruill, Sr. 5 Democrat (804) 698-7505 (757) 424-2178
William M. Stanley, Jr. 20 Republican (804) 698-7520 (540) 721-6028
Richard H. Stuart 28 Republican (804) 698-7528 (804) 493-8892
David R. Suetterlein 19 Republican (804) 698-7519 (540) 302-8486
Scott A. Surovell 36 Democrat (804) 698-7536 (571) 249-4484
Jill Holtzman Vogel 27 Republican (804) 698-7527 (540) 662-4551
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An article on the status of HB961:
VA House Readies Tuesday Vote On Northam’s Gun Ban
After narrowly passing out of a House committee last Friday, Gov. Ralph Northam’s gun bill is on track for a final vote by the Virginia House of Delegates on Tuesday. If approved, HB961 would then head over to the state Senate, where four Democrat senators have already spoken in opposition to the bill as introduced.

I’m really pleased that David Adams, legislative affairs director for the Virginia Shooting Sports Association was able to join me on today’s Bearing Arms’ Cam & Co. to talk about the latest language of the bill and its current prospects in both the House and Senate.

Adams believes there’ll be bipartisan opposition to the gun ban bill, which also bans the continued possession of all ammunition magazines that can hold more than 12-rounds, as well as banning the future sale and manufacturing of many semi-automatic long guns and AR-pistols and all suppressors. Whether there’s enough to defeat the bill in the House remains an open question.

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:41 pm Democrats amended HB961 to make possession of a standard-capacity mag a misdemeanor in an attempt to further water it down.
https://apps.lis.virginia.gov/amendment ... bil=HB0961
So what is the point? No registration means they have no clue if someone bought a rifle out of state and more than likely a majority of leo's in these sanctuary counties will look the other way if they see someone with a magazine. This AWB is basically a scofflaw.

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culannmac wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:55 pm
DispositionMatrix wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:41 pm Democrats amended HB961 to make possession of a standard-capacity mag a misdemeanor in an attempt to further water it down.
https://apps.lis.virginia.gov/amendment ... bil=HB0961
So what is the point? No registration means they have no clue if someone bought a rifle out of state and more than likely a majority of leo's in these sanctuary counties will look the other way if they see someone with a magazine. This AWB is basically a scofflaw.
The point is an easy add on charge and to make ownership arduous. Eventually, they'll have so many gun laws, they'll be able to nail us all with one felony or another for something that used to be perfectly legal (it is so very difficult to keep up with CA gun laws, and I try hard, but at a dozen new ones every year...) then -poof- guns banned. :blink:

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featureless wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:13 pm
culannmac wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:55 pm
DispositionMatrix wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:41 pm Democrats amended HB961 to make possession of a standard-capacity mag a misdemeanor in an attempt to further water it down.
https://apps.lis.virginia.gov/amendment ... bil=HB0961
So what is the point? No registration means they have no clue if someone bought a rifle out of state and more than likely a majority of leo's in these sanctuary counties will look the other way if they see someone with a magazine. This AWB is basically a scofflaw.
The point is an easy add on charge and to make ownership arduous. Eventually, they'll have so many gun laws, they'll be able to nail us all with one felony or another for something that used to be perfectly legal (it is so very difficult to keep up with CA gun laws, and I try hard, but at a dozen new ones every year...) then -poof- guns banned. :blink:
Once they pass _something_, they will identify everything left out as loopholes and begin passing more laws.

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