Re: Impact of loss for firearm ownership in Virginia
76My county would never dream of being a 2a sanctuary. But at least we're an immigrant sanctuary county full of sanctuary cities in a sanctuary state.
Chris Hill, who heads a Georgia chapter of III%ers (Three Percenters), addresses a crowd of militia members outside the Georgia state Capitol during a March rally. Hill spoke about gun rights and government overreach, but about five minutes in, the speech turned to Georgia's newest anti-abortion measure.
“There’s been a connection between certain militias and anti-abortion violence over the years,” said Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors militia activity.
Northam was an Army doctor and a pediatric neurologist. Having worked in healthcare for a long time, I can understand how a doctor might make a comment that can sound different than intended to those outside the medical community. Northam was being candid and he was lambasted in the press. When the alternative to Northam is better, please vote for that person.frankr wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:19 am I don't get why the southern baptist is all wrapped up in the abortion issue.
But governor Northam, I swear to god I actually heard him say this, he said in some cases the child would be born and placed on a table and made comfortable until the parents could decide "what to do with it"!! He was on a local "ask the governor" radio show. I think i dropped breakable stuff I was carrying. He was talking about letting the parents decide whether they wanted to kill the kid or not. It was not healthy kids, it was terminally sick, profoundly ill, underformed kind of things. But still, I was shocked. He's famous for that, and for wearing black face.
I'm on the same page. There is gun violence whose causes are not protected by the 2nd amendment. It's a long list. Fix those things, they need fixing. If we fix those things and then there is still an unacceptable level of gun violence, we can talk. But if we fix those other thing society will improve by a fair margin and there won't be much gun violence.VodoundaVinci wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:03 am I see it as people having to constantly make a simple issue more convoluted to get people to give up. The issue of guns is very simple - our Right to keep and bear arms is bestowed at birth and shall not be infringed.
Stop infringing - no Civil War, no threats, no strife and struggle over a simple concept. It is our Right to keep and Bear. Stop infringing. I know folks want something done about gun violence as, as a gun owner, I am all for that. Find the Root Cause of the problem and start working to fix it. Stop interjecting abortion rights, and all that into a simple concept.
Simple.
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Agree 100%. I think that the 2A will be restricted into nonexistence by the end of the century or sooner.max129 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:01 pm As society moves farther away from a rural past, guns are not an automatic necessity. The same is true for many tools - teenagers used to jones for a tools set on their 16th birthday.
I have several grown children. Only one of them owns camping equipment. When I was their age, every family owned a lot of camping equipment.
That seems to be all gone. No one in the cities or suburbs needs a socket wrench set anymore. Fewer people go camping. Hunting is on the decline. So guns, which were formerly a multi-use tool are now reduced (for most folks) to self defense and sport shooting.
As a result there is less parent-to-child hand off of gun experience and knowledge. This is a long term culture shift, not a short term issue.
OK, back to the Second Amendment. They don't care. They have been given a lifetime of "guns are bad" and "only rednecks own guns" and "guns cause violence". The veracity of these messages is moot - the messages have been delivered for a lifetime and there have been very few effective counter actions to these messages.
What is needed is an effective, non-hysterical set of counter messages, delivered by rational people often.
Exactly. I am not glorifying the camping of my youth, but it had none of the above.highdesert said:
Campers, motor homes, trailers and toy boxes or trailers full of motorcycles, quads...
Culpeper today. And I'm sure Rappahannock last night. In rappahannock there were so many people going to the meeting it gridlocked the town. People are switched on. ALL of the people who support any of this need to be voted out if at all possible. Our state has been very 2nd Amendment friendly until this last election where it was reversed.Tedzilla wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:04 pm " Louisa, Halifax, Buchanan, Rappahannock, Greensville, and Russell counties are all sanctuaries now! So is the town of Exmore! HUGE turnouts continue! 30 Sanctuaries and counting!"-VCDL
This will create a patchwork of laws and non-enforcement areas that will be nearly incomprehensible.
Wouldn't it be nice if the DNC was paying attention? Win big, and then eff it up on this one single issue. Classic.frankr wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:52 pm Culpeper today. And I'm sure Rappahannock last night. In rappahannock there were so many people going to the meeting it gridlocked the town. People are switched on. ALL of the people who support any of this need to be voted out if at all possible. Our state has been very 2nd Amendment friendly until this last election where it was reversed.
It seems like the DNC already has it's own plans. I'm sure it isn't really appropriate to disagree with them. I think some of the democrat candidates have been made aware of this.wooglin wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:59 pmWouldn't it be nice if the DNC was paying attention? Win big, and then eff it up on this one single issue. Classic.frankr wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:52 pm Culpeper today. And I'm sure Rappahannock last night. In rappahannock there were so many people going to the meeting it gridlocked the town. People are switched on. ALL of the people who support any of this need to be voted out if at all possible. Our state has been very 2nd Amendment friendly until this last election where it was reversed.
VooDooOnly standing room was available at Tazewell County's Board of Supervisors meeting Tuesday, ahead of its vote on a Second Amendment Sanctuary Resolution.
More than 30 counties across Virginia have adopted similar resolutions -- including Bland, Giles, and Buchanan. Tazewell County took that a step further, adopting two; a Sanctuary resolution, and a 'militia' resolution -- which "promotes the order of militia within Tazewell County, pursuant to the Second Amendment."
The Second Amendment Sanctuary Resolution says in part,
"...the inalienable right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental individual right that shall not be infringed, and any future enactment of laws buy the Virginia General Assembly or any other governmental body that infringes upon such right are violations of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of Virginia."
The 'militia' resolution states,
"..be it resolved by the Tazewell County Board of Supervisors that the Board expresses its intent to vigorously uphold the Second Amendment rights of the law-abiding citizens of Tazewell County, Virginia."
Both resolutions passed unanimously. The Board also asked community members for a show of hands in support -- only one came forward in opposition.
Over and over and over and over again I hear moderate republicans say the republican politicians need to shut the fuck up about abortion. And over and over and over I hear moderate democrats say the democrat politicians need to shut the fuck up about 2nd amendment restrictions.wooglin wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:59 pmWouldn't it be nice if the DNC was paying attention? Win big, and then eff it up on this one single issue. Classic.frankr wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:52 pm Culpeper today. And I'm sure Rappahannock last night. In rappahannock there were so many people going to the meeting it gridlocked the town. People are switched on. ALL of the people who support any of this need to be voted out if at all possible. Our state has been very 2nd Amendment friendly until this last election where it was reversed.
Can you provide an example of what that might look like? What would constitute helping?frankr wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:32 pmSeriously. 30 people could sit down at a table and work this out inside of a few hours. It would help the maximum number of people, not violate rights, and only the extremists would be furious.
In my opinion (that no one asked for :-) it really is pretty simple to decide how to do universal background checks.frankr said:
Seriously. 30 people could sit down at a table and work this out inside of a few hours.
I supported background checks, one gun per month, and some other reasonable gun laws until a politician told me he would only support getting a list of all gun owners, nothing else. I no longer trust any of them. i very much don't like the implication of their goals.max129 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:45 pmIn my opinion (that no one asked for :-) it really is pretty simple to decide how to do universal background checks.frankr said:
Seriously. 30 people could sit down at a table and work this out inside of a few hours.
I do not think there is a simple answer to the question: "Should I be able to sell/give a gun to someone else without informing the State?"
To some people, a requirement to inform the State is very reasonable; to others, it is a clear red line. Even among 2A advocates.
So I think that an agreement on more extensive background checks could be agreed upon, and definitions for due process for red-flag laws for example.
I do not think questions about in-family gun transfers, 100% registration of all firearms, ammo purchases, magazine capacity, etc. could be easily agreed in hours, days or months. My observation is that people on this forum do not agree on these issues and yet we are mostly aligned in many ways.
Here is what the new narrative about the 2A sanctuary trend in Virginia is going to be:VodoundaVinci wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:15 pm Federal law enforcement officer Ben Woods talks PRO Virginia 2nd Amendment Sanctuary county!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo
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