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Read "Tunnel in the Sky?"

#1 Post by bajajoaquin » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:23 pm

Not sure how many of you read Robert Heinlein in the past or have gotten past his creepy right-wing libertarianism, but he wrote a bunch of "juvenile" novels. One of them was called Tunnel in the Sky, about survival training. It's interesting because it comes right out and says that the worst thing you can bring to really make sure you survive is a gun. In fact, the character that brings a canteen and a knife survives and thrives, and the guy who brings a (sci-fi version of a) machine gun dies fast.

The underlying idea is that the guy with the knife is thinking, "how can I stay out of trouble?" and the guy with the gun is thinking, "I can handle that!"

This forum is much more geared towards, "let's get along and rebuild" than most prepper forums. I'm not sure if it's a commentary on politics or consumer-macho gun culture, or what, but it has struck me as interesting that max firepower is so highly correlated with survivorist stuff.

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#2 Post by YankeeTarheel » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:27 pm

I must have read it 50 years ago...Heinlein truly did explore some weird shit--incest, juvenile sex, "God-Jehovah" as one of many gods, and, of course, a Nietzsche-like fascination with "supermen". But I don't really remember Tunnel in the Sky.
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Re: Read "Tunnel in the Sky?"

#3 Post by Mason » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:37 pm

Interesting. My wife and I close on our twenty acre tree farm/climate change/societal collapse retreat next Monday. One of our major requirements was that it be rural but absolutely not be "in the middle of nowhere". There must be a community nearby to stand with. After literally years of looking we located it 5 miles as the crow flies and 6.1 miles by road from a very progressive little town and 20ish miles by road from Charlottesville, VA. This is mostly in reply to your "let's get along and rebuild" comment. Of course I'll have some guns up there, but a whole lot of other important stuff, too. Possibly most importantly, an electric UTV that can be solar charged so we can get to and from town to pick up and drop off supplies.

It already has a 10gpm 150' well and grid power for now. :bananadance:
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#4 Post by tonguengroover » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:23 pm

Mason wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:37 pm
Interesting. My wife and I close on our twenty acre tree farm/climate change/societal collapse retreat next Monday. One of our major requirements was that it be rural but absolutely not be "in the middle of nowhere". There must be a community nearby to stand with. After literally years of looking we located it 5 miles as the crow flies and 6.1 miles by road from a very progressive little town and 20ish miles by road from Charlottesville, VA. This is mostly in reply to your "let's get along and rebuild" comment. Of course I'll have some guns up there, but a whole lot of other important stuff, too. Possibly most importantly, an electric UTV that can be solar charged so we can get to and from town to pick up and drop off supplies.

It already has a 10gpm 150' well and grid power for now. :bananadance:
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#5 Post by Bisbee » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:46 pm

Libertarianism and “young adult fiction” are synonymous.
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#6 Post by tonguengroover » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:41 pm

I think I read My Side of The Mountain ten times while growing up.
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#7 Post by K9s » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:50 pm

Bisbee wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:46 pm
Libertarianism and “young adult fiction” are synonymous.
Nice catch!

The few pseudo-preppers who think guns n ammo are all you need will admit that they plan to be vultures. The rural ones with water will be OK until they run out of gasoline and food. The rest will die of thirst pretty quickly or disease from contaminated water.

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#8 Post by highdesert » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:31 am

Mason wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:37 pm
Interesting. My wife and I close on our twenty acre tree farm/climate change/societal collapse retreat next Monday. One of our major requirements was that it be rural but absolutely not be "in the middle of nowhere". There must be a community nearby to stand with. After literally years of looking we located it 5 miles as the crow flies and 6.1 miles by road from a very progressive little town and 20ish miles by road from Charlottesville, VA. This is mostly in reply to your "let's get along and rebuild" comment. Of course I'll have some guns up there, but a whole lot of other important stuff, too. Possibly most importantly, an electric UTV that can be solar charged so we can get to and from town to pick up and drop off supplies.

It already has a 10gpm 150' well and grid power for now. :bananadance:
Very nice and five acres is a good buffer. It's rural now but watch out developers will be buying up land for housing projects.
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Re: Read "Tunnel in the Sky?"

#9 Post by YankeeTarheel » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:35 am

highdesert wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:31 am
Mason wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:37 pm
Interesting. My wife and I close on our twenty acre tree farm/climate change/societal collapse retreat next Monday. One of our major requirements was that it be rural but absolutely not be "in the middle of nowhere". There must be a community nearby to stand with. After literally years of looking we located it 5 miles as the crow flies and 6.1 miles by road from a very progressive little town and 20ish miles by road from Charlottesville, VA. This is mostly in reply to your "let's get along and rebuild" comment. Of course I'll have some guns up there, but a whole lot of other important stuff, too. Possibly most importantly, an electric UTV that can be solar charged so we can get to and from town to pick up and drop off supplies.

It already has a 10gpm 150' well and grid power for now. :bananadance:
Very nice and five acres is a good buffer. It's rural now but watch out developers will be buying up land for housing projects.
And then the county will jack up your property taxes as each of your 5 acres is worth more and more to developers. So a long-term plan when that happens to sell that land at a huge profit and buy some more in a less accessible and desirable area, but which has water.
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Re: Read "Tunnel in the Sky?"

#10 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:25 pm

I own everything Heinlein wrote including his correspondence with various new age groups who styled their practices on Stranger in a Strange Land. Tunnel in the sky is one of my favorites of his juvenile tales. Politically he was an interesting guy. He worked for both the Republican and Democratic parties in turn at different times in his life.
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#11 Post by bajajoaquin » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:08 pm

I thought about it when I did a solo cross-country motorcycle trip in my '20s. I figured I'd just keep myself out of trouble rather than try to resolve it. The four guys from Colorado I ran into on the road were completely baffled that I wasn't armed.

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