Greetings from Portland, OR

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Greetings from Portland, OR

#1 Post by LouGubrius » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:28 pm

I have been an ardent liberal for as long as I can remember. I firmly believe that the 2nd Amendment includes room for legislative limits. I don't believe anyone has any "right" to a given type of firearm and that keeping guns out of the hands of people with a history of violence and mental instability is common sense. I don't believe that magazine capacity limits cause harm to anyone. When I vote, it is not motivated by gun issues. I vote for the people I think will do the most good for the future (e.g. supporting education, ecology and conservation, equity and dignity).

All that said, I absolutely LOVE guns. I am a sucker for good machining and engineering and modern firearms have those in spades. Sport shooting is fantastic fun. I've finally taken the plunge and picked up my first handgun and I could not be happier....except I can't tell anyone. All of my friends are liberals who don't understand how anyone could appreciate guns. I don't have any conservative friends because I don't tolerate single issue voters of any stripe.

Needless to say my first week as a gun owner felt very lonely. But now I've found this place. I'm hoping to become involved with the Oregon chapter very soon and I am so excited to get to know more people who support equity and progressive values but who still know the joy and security of owning a firearm!

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#2 Post by lurker » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:31 pm

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#3 Post by Bucolic » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:32 pm

Welcome from Gettysburg.

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#4 Post by LouGubrius » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:36 pm

I found a lightly used 2012 Sig P220 Carry. Literally feels like an extension of my arm!

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#5 Post by featureless » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:43 pm

LouGubrius wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:28 pm
I have been an ardent liberal for as long as I can remember. I firmly believe that the 2nd Amendment includes room for legislative limits. I don't believe anyone has any "right" to a given type of firearm and that keeping guns out of the hands of people with a history of violence and mental instability is common sense. I don't believe that magazine capacity limits cause harm to anyone. When I vote, it is not motivated by gun issues. I vote for the people I think will do the most good for the future (e.g. supporting education, ecology and conservation, equity and dignity).
Welcome! You've found a place to come out of the closet, as many of us have.

Agreed on voting issues and mental health/violence. Disagree about magazine capacity and right to a given type of firearm. As a Californian, we are harmed by continued "legislative limits" around these things yearly with things like gun color making it forbidden (handgun roster) and the state making felons out of those with previously legal property (our latest and greatest assault weapon ban, because the first one apparently didn't work). "Legislative limits" have been shown to be slippery slopes for rights and addictive to legislatures. We can be respectful in our disagreements as well as agreements! :)

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#6 Post by SailDesign » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:06 pm

Welcome!! :welcome:

Totally agree with some kind of legislative limits, even mag capacity limits, but I only shoot targets at the range for my own amusement. :)
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#7 Post by Hiker » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:15 pm

Welcome from Lexington KY
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#8 Post by Eris » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:19 pm

:welcome:

We've got all kinds of people around here, though I think the tendency for most here is to oppose most limits. But we all think shooting is fun and this place can be a respite from the usual right wing dominated gun forums. Around here the biggest point of contention is who can be more socialist than the others. ;)
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#9 Post by Maccabee » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:49 pm

Greetings from a fellow Portlander.

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#10 Post by LouGubrius » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:47 pm

I would like to clarify that I don't personally support magazine capacity bans for the most part. 10 rounds in a 226 isn't really all that more dangerous than the 8 rounds in my 220. With the possible exception of truly absurd mags like 100+ round barrel mags for ARs, I also don't really see the point. That said, I'm willing to give lawmakers some room to experiment and try things that may help reduce the ease with which some people kill with a gun. I think poverty reduction and steps to generate real equity between different groups would be more effective than a magazine capacity rule or even an assault rifle ban. But I don't know all the answers and I'm not willing to draw a bright red line stopping any attempts being made to address the crisis we are living through.

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#11 Post by featureless » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:24 pm

No worries, Lou. I was just busting chops. And I agree, lawmakers do need some leeway, but when it infriges on a right, it must be backed up with evidence. So far, the later is severely lacking.

I have to clarify my positions all the time and am always looking for reasons to evolve my thinking. Welcome to the discussion.

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#12 Post by SubRosa » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:04 pm

Ah, my old 220 is my go-to pistol. It just never fails.

We are the best gun bunch, lib or otherwise. The expertise here spans everything form baby popguns to self-propelled, brand new to the first generation.

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#13 Post by HuckleberryFun » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:52 pm

:welcome: From a fellow Portlander. I’m the current Oregon Chapter President and I’d like to welcome you aboard.
There is a wide range of opinions here, so don’t feel like you have to toe a line of orthodoxy. We are unorthodox by nature, most of us. I disagree with some of what you said about 2A rights, etc, and that’s ok. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition here (a gratuitous Monty Python reference). Our Winter Range Day is coming up on Saturday, January 26th where we will meet at a friendly local range at high noon and engage in some quality pew pew bonding time. If you think you can make it I can give you the particulars. Hope to see you there, or at least soon at one of our get togethers.
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#14 Post by Bacchus » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:15 pm

Howdy and :welcome: from Corvallis!

We have a large and vibrant Oregon Chapter; come on out and say hey at our next range day! Notices get sent via email to members, and there's also the Oregon subforum where local stuff gets posted, joinable with membership.

So kick off your shoes and wander about the place. Local organic doughnuts and Free Trade coffee are in the back. :)

Again, welcome!
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#15 Post by Bisbee » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:01 am

The Portland group as a whole are so erudite you’ll likely change some of your views on 2A and firearms after a few pints with them.
-I know I did... :confused:
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#16 Post by Bacchus » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:40 am

Bisbee wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:01 am
The Portland group as a whole are so erudite you’ll likely change some of your views on 2A and firearms after a few pints with them.
-I know I did... :confused:
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#17 Post by HuckleberryFun » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:02 am

Bacchus wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:40 am
Bisbee wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:01 am
The Portland group as a whole are so erudite you’ll likely change some of your views on 2A and firearms after a few pints with them.
-I know I did... :confused:
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Wait... what's an erudite? Isn't that one of those little fossil crab-like critters?
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#18 Post by Buck13 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:48 am

HuckleberryFun wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:02 am
Bacchus wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:40 am

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Wait... what's an erudite? Isn't that one of those little fossil crab-like critters?
Erudite is a propellant: better than Pyrodex, not as good as Goex.
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#19 Post by lurker » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:17 am

something you need to know about this forum...
eventually, all threads run off the road, into the weeds, across the interstate, and up onto another road. going the wrong way. what a ride!
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some of us are quicker to go off the rails than others.
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#20 Post by highdesert » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:34 am

:welcome: A SIG P220, a classic.
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#21 Post by MaxWyatt » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:20 pm

Welcome from the southern end of the valley! Lots of Oregon folks here. :-)
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Greetings from Portland, OR

#22 Post by Bucolic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:29 pm

According to the Urban Dictionary, Erdu is “the tiny particles left after using your eraser to get rid of a mistake on a paper.”

So erduite must be...oh....never mind.



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#23 Post by sikacz » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:32 pm

Howdy from Houston! I’m one of the ones here that won’t support most if not all of your positions on guns. I adhere to root cause mitigation to violence and guns are not a root cause. Don’t believe bans will solve or address anything either, so no on restriction on any gun types. Supporting the whole bill of rights is liberal and so am I. Welcome.
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#24 Post by max129 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:13 pm

Welcome from Nevada. Glad to have more mighty ducks onboard.

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#25 Post by bigbass4me » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:40 am

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