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Re: New Conservative Here.

#26 Post by Eris » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:43 pm

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:29 pm
Bacchus wrote:
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C'mon folks, you're oppressing the poor lad!

Well, congratulations on being conservative.

This is a gun club for a broad spectrum of folks, but as the sign said on the way in it is primarily for liberals, moderates, lefties, and all manner of folks whose politics you would no doubt suspect of having a pink aura. As such, your handle is worse than offensive, it's bad manners. Your motivations for being here are instantly suspect, no less because of the fact that we've had a rash of idiots here lately who seem to get their thrills poking the armed liberals and then yukking it up with their friends like so many pimply teenagers.

Enjoy your stay. :)
Thank you. I just posted my reason for being here in another post above. Yes some of the guys from the Forum were trolling but I’m not here to do that. My intentions here are to see “Pro2A” liberals with their views on the 2A and maybe have some political discussions without being attacked.
Allrighty then, let's talk 2A.

In my opinion:

- The sale of newly manufactured full auto weapons should be permitted. I believe ownership of them is protected by the 2A.
- Semi-autos of all kinds, are also protected.
- As are "high capacity" magazines.
- I have no objection to universal background checks.
- Concealed carry may be regulated, but permits should be "shall issue" not "may issue". Only people with specific exclusions should be blocked from getting permits.
- I do not think that ownership should require licensing or registration, but both go back to colonial times, so I can't say they are unconstitutional.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#27 Post by sikacz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm

Ban this troll. My tolerance level is peaked.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#28 Post by HuckleberryFun » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm

Over at the NY Gun Forum they boast that no one there EVER gets banned there for anything and it shows.
They take pride in it like that makes them the Last Bastion of Freedom or something. Say anything with no consequences.
So they have Nazis and fag haters and the like and they are OK with that.

Remember our friend CaseHardon? He boasts of going on conservative gun boards and the first thing he says is
“I HATE MUSLIMS!”
and then laughs at the stupid board moderators for banning him and for not being *conservative enough*. They’ve been doing this a long time, it seems. They think it’s funny. That’s what we’re dealing with. Morons.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#29 Post by sikacz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:48 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:42 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 pm
First off, the 2nd amendment apples to everyone living on US soil. There’s no age, I can be gifted a firearm before I’m even 18. (Only a long rifle), 2nd how come you have the right to speak but I don’t? The first amendment applies to everybody, not just you and one side. You’re offended? Maybe I’m offended that you think the first amendment only applies to you.

I’m here from the NY forum, I saw a thread about it and thought I should join.
Yeah. Right. And you expect to sell us a bridge in Brooklyn.

Here's a bit of advice, son from a guy who was middle-aged and a dad before you were even born:
Don't believe the people who set you up to come here. You're just a pawn to them, to be "sacrificed".
Like the 17 year old kid who assassinated the Japanese PM in 1960.
Like the "suicide bombers" that the Taliban and ISIS set up.
You're a sucker, but it's not your fault. You're young.
You're best move? Back off, watch, learn, don't post. Think. Question authority--ALL authority.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#30 Post by OurLordSaviorTrump » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:49 pm

HuckleberryFun wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Over at the NY Gun Forum they boast that no one there EVER gets banned there for anything and it shows.
They take pride in it like that makes them the Last Bastion of Freedom or something. Say anything with no consequences.
So they have Nazis and fag haters and the like and they are OK with that.

Remember our friend CaseHardon? He boasts of going on conservative gun boards and the first thing he says is
“I HATE MUSLIMS!”
and then laughs at the stupid board moderators for banning him and for not being *conservative enough*. They’ve been doing this a long time, it seems. They think it’s funny. That’s what we’re dealing with. Morons.
Actually there’s really no gay haters on the forum... there are a few, but there’s always a few in every group.

Don’t go throwing around the word Nazi either, maybe you should not insult the people who aren’t Nazis. There are 0 Nazis on that forum. Believe it or not, Holocaust survivors actually have gotten offended and publicly have spoken when you guys say that stuff. Also Nazis were socialist so the left has more in common with them than the right does.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#31 Post by sikacz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:51 pm

HuckleberryFun wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Over at the NY Gun Forum they boast that no one there EVER gets banned there for anything and it shows.
They take pride in it like that makes them the Last Bastion of Freedom or something. Say anything with no consequences.
So they have Nazis and fag haters and the like and they are OK with that.

Remember our friend CaseHardon? He boasts of going on conservative gun boards and the first thing he says is
“I HATE MUSLIMS!”
and then laughs at the stupid board moderators for banning him and for not being *conservative enough*. They’ve been doing this a long time, it seems. They think it’s funny. That’s what we’re dealing with. Morons.
Ban is good. Somethings are not worth discussing further.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#32 Post by Bacchus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:52 pm

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:29 pm
Bacchus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 pm
C'mon folks, you're oppressing the poor lad!

Well, congratulations on being conservative.

This is a gun club for a broad spectrum of folks, but as the sign said on the way in it is primarily for liberals, moderates, lefties, and all manner of folks whose politics you would no doubt suspect of having a pink aura. As such, your handle is worse than offensive, it's bad manners. Your motivations for being here are instantly suspect, no less because of the fact that we've had a rash of idiots here lately who seem to get their thrills poking the armed liberals and then yukking it up with their friends like so many pimply teenagers.

Enjoy your stay. :)
Thank you. I just posted my reason for being here in another post above. Yes some of the guys from the Forum were trolling but I’m not here to do that. My intentions here are to see “Pro2A” liberals with their views on the 2A and maybe have some political discussions without being attacked.
Glad to hear that you are not here to troll. :) If you wade into politics, expect to challenged... but you should expect that as this is a den of pinko liberals. ;)

As you browse around, you will see that there is a range of views on acceptable (and not) 2A restrictions. Being liberal, I understand 2A as I do the rest of our cherished Bill of Rights: that it provides for maximum liberty to the individual and protects us from the excesses of government. As such, I don't support bans. I don't support all the silly modifications they have to put up with in CA. I don't support limits on magazine capacity. I think Democrat politicians who do support those things are wrong, and I work to persuade them to change their views on guns.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#33 Post by OurLordSaviorTrump » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:53 pm

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Eris wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:43 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:29 pm
Bacchus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 pm
C'mon folks, you're oppressing the poor lad!

Well, congratulations on being conservative.

This is a gun club for a broad spectrum of folks, but as the sign said on the way in it is primarily for liberals, moderates, lefties, and all manner of folks whose politics you would no doubt suspect of having a pink aura. As such, your handle is worse than offensive, it's bad manners. Your motivations for being here are instantly suspect, no less because of the fact that we've had a rash of idiots here lately who seem to get their thrills poking the armed liberals and then yukking it up with their friends like so many pimply teenagers.

Enjoy your stay. :)
Thank you. I just posted my reason for being here in another post above. Yes some of the guys from the Forum were trolling but I’m not here to do that. My intentions here are to see “Pro2A” liberals with their views on the 2A and maybe have some political discussions without being attacked.
Allrighty then, let's talk 2A.

In my opinion:

- The sale of newly manufactured full auto weapons should be permitted. I believe ownership of them is protected by the 2A.
- Semi-autos of all kinds, are also protected.
- As are "high capacity" magazines.
- I have no objection to universal background checks.
- Concealed carry may be regulated, but permits should be "shall issue" not "may issue". Only people with specific exclusions should be blocked from getting permits.
- I do not think that ownership should require licensing or registration, but both go back to colonial times, so I can't say they are unconstitutional.
I love your views on the 2A. I just think there should be a ONE time mental health check. to see if they’re mentally stable to own a firearm

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#34 Post by Bacchus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:54 pm

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:49 pm
HuckleberryFun wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Over at the NY Gun Forum they boast that no one there EVER gets banned there for anything and it shows.
They take pride in it like that makes them the Last Bastion of Freedom or something. Say anything with no consequences.
So they have Nazis and fag haters and the like and they are OK with that.

Remember our friend CaseHardon? He boasts of going on conservative gun boards and the first thing he says is
“I HATE MUSLIMS!”
and then laughs at the stupid board moderators for banning him and for not being *conservative enough*. They’ve been doing this a long time, it seems. They think it’s funny. That’s what we’re dealing with. Morons.
Actually there’s really no gay haters on the forum... there are a few, but there’s always a few in every group.

Don’t go throwing around the word Nazi either, maybe you should not insult the people who aren’t Nazis. There are 0 Nazis on that forum. Believe it or not, Holocaust survivors actually have gotten offended and publicly have spoken when you guys say that stuff. Also Nazis were socialist so the left has more in common with them than the right does.
Hoo, boy. There are no Shepherds in Shepherds Pie. Kinda like no socialists in nazis. Go get yerself an education. You are embarrassing yourself.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#35 Post by OurLordSaviorTrump » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:55 pm

sikacz wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Ban this troll. My tolerance level is peaked.
First off, you have shown me you don’t have ANY tolerance. I’m not a troll either.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#36 Post by sikacz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Bacchus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:54 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:49 pm
HuckleberryFun wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Over at the NY Gun Forum they boast that no one there EVER gets banned there for anything and it shows.
They take pride in it like that makes them the Last Bastion of Freedom or something. Say anything with no consequences.
So they have Nazis and fag haters and the like and they are OK with that.

Remember our friend CaseHardon? He boasts of going on conservative gun boards and the first thing he says is
“I HATE MUSLIMS!”
and then laughs at the stupid board moderators for banning him and for not being *conservative enough*. They’ve been doing this a long time, it seems. They think it’s funny. That’s what we’re dealing with. Morons.
Actually there’s really no gay haters on the forum... there are a few, but there’s always a few in every group.

Don’t go throwing around the word Nazi either, maybe you should not insult the people who aren’t Nazis. There are 0 Nazis on that forum. Believe it or not, Holocaust survivors actually have gotten offended and publicly have spoken when you guys say that stuff. Also Nazis were socialist so the left has more in common with them than the right does.
Hoo, boy. There are no Shepherds in Shepherds Pie. Kinda like no socialists in nazis. Go get yerself an education. You are embarrassing yourself.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#37 Post by sikacz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:57 pm

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:55 pm
sikacz wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Ban this troll. My tolerance level is peaked.
First off, you have shown me you don’t have ANY tolerance. I’m not a troll either.
Why should I tolerate your ignorance?
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#38 Post by OurLordSaviorTrump » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:57 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:42 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 pm
First off, the 2nd amendment apples to everyone living on US soil. There’s no age, I can be gifted a firearm before I’m even 18. (Only a long rifle), 2nd how come you have the right to speak but I don’t? The first amendment applies to everybody, not just you and one side. You’re offended? Maybe I’m offended that you think the first amendment only applies to you.

I’m here from the NY forum, I saw a thread about it and thought I should join.
Yeah. Right. And you expect to sell us a bridge in Brooklyn.

Here's a bit of advice, son from a guy who was middle-aged and a dad before you were even born:
Don't believe the people who set you up to come here. You're just a pawn to them, to be "sacrificed".
Like the 17 year old kid who assassinated the Japanese PM in 1960.
Like the "suicide bombers" that the Taliban and ISIS set up.
You're a sucker, but it's not your fault. You're young.
You're best move? Back off, watch, learn, don't post. Think. Question authority--ALL authority.
I was in your shoes one day, I loved Obama! I was blinded and now I’m woke. Im not a sucker, I’m persuaded by facts and ethics; something the left has been losing for the past years by calling for violence on people who don’t agree with them.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#39 Post by danhue » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:58 pm

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:49 pm
Also Nazis were socialist so the left has more in common with them than the right does.
Oh my :wall:

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#40 Post by shinzen » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:58 pm

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
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Thought you should join why?

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Reason posted above.
Not really. You joined us. What are you looking to learn here? What unanswered questions do you have? What perspective are you looking for on what issues? Since you spent the time to register and post, you must be curious about something since you're not here to troll.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#41 Post by sikacz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:59 pm

Y’all have fun. I’m old and need to sleep.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#42 Post by Bacchus » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:00 am

sikacz wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:51 pm
HuckleberryFun wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:45 pm
Over at the NY Gun Forum they boast that no one there EVER gets banned there for anything and it shows.
They take pride in it like that makes them the Last Bastion of Freedom or something. Say anything with no consequences.
So they have Nazis and fag haters and the like and they are OK with that.

Remember our friend CaseHardon? He boasts of going on conservative gun boards and the first thing he says is
“I HATE MUSLIMS!”
and then laughs at the stupid board moderators for banning him and for not being *conservative enough*. They’ve been doing this a long time, it seems. They think it’s funny. That’s what we’re dealing with. Morons.
Ban is good. Somethings are not worth discussing further.
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#43 Post by JColville » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:01 am

Also Nazis were socialist so the left has more in common with them than the right does.
The "socialist" part of the NSDAP was window dressing and marketing to draw Social Democrats into the party. NAZIism is first and foremost a nationalist movement. Best to read history better and eschew the Cliff Notes version handed out by the Blood & Soil bunch.
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#44 Post by shinzen » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:06 am

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote::love:
Eris wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:43 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:29 pm
Bacchus wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 pm
C'mon folks, you're oppressing the poor lad!

Well, congratulations on being conservative.

This is a gun club for a broad spectrum of folks, but as the sign said on the way in it is primarily for liberals, moderates, lefties, and all manner of folks whose politics you would no doubt suspect of having a pink aura. As such, your handle is worse than offensive, it's bad manners. Your motivations for being here are instantly suspect, no less because of the fact that we've had a rash of idiots here lately who seem to get their thrills poking the armed liberals and then yukking it up with their friends like so many pimply teenagers.

Enjoy your stay. :)
Thank you. I just posted my reason for being here in another post above. Yes some of the guys from the Forum were trolling but I’m not here to do that. My intentions here are to see “Pro2A” liberals with their views on the 2A and maybe have some political discussions without being attacked.
Allrighty then, let's talk 2A.

In my opinion:

- The sale of newly manufactured full auto weapons should be permitted. I believe ownership of them is protected by the 2A.
- Semi-autos of all kinds, are also protected.
- As are "high capacity" magazines.
- I have no objection to universal background checks.
- Concealed carry may be regulated, but permits should be "shall issue" not "may issue". Only people with specific exclusions should be blocked from getting permits.
- I do not think that ownership should require licensing or registration, but both go back to colonial times, so I can't say they are unconstitutional.
I love your views on the 2A. I just think there should be a ONE time mental health check. to see if they’re mentally stable to own a firearm
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#45 Post by Bacchus » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:09 am

OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:57 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:42 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 pm
First off, the 2nd amendment apples to everyone living on US soil. There’s no age, I can be gifted a firearm before I’m even 18. (Only a long rifle), 2nd how come you have the right to speak but I don’t? The first amendment applies to everybody, not just you and one side. You’re offended? Maybe I’m offended that you think the first amendment only applies to you.

I’m here from the NY forum, I saw a thread about it and thought I should join.
Yeah. Right. And you expect to sell us a bridge in Brooklyn.

Here's a bit of advice, son from a guy who was middle-aged and a dad before you were even born:
Don't believe the people who set you up to come here. You're just a pawn to them, to be "sacrificed".
Like the 17 year old kid who assassinated the Japanese PM in 1960.
Like the "suicide bombers" that the Taliban and ISIS set up.
You're a sucker, but it's not your fault. You're young.
You're best move? Back off, watch, learn, don't post. Think. Question authority--ALL authority.
I was in your shoes one day, I loved Obama! I was blinded and now I’m woke. Im not a sucker, I’m persuaded by facts and ethics; something the left has been losing for the past years by calling for violence on people who don’t agree with them.
OK, seriously. Now I've got wine all over my computer screen. The left has... been calling for violence on people who don't agree with them? You want to be woke? You're being lied to, kid. Let go of the interwebz and take a walk. Turn off the screaming that passes for right wing 'news' sites and talk radio. You are being played for a chump if you buy that 'violent left' garbage. Your call.

You probably get a lot of affirmation and support from your like-minded friends. I get that. Considering that it isn't true is scary, because what then? What will drive the fear and sense of purpose then? Ah, well.

I think sikacz is right.

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Re: New Conservative Here.

#46 Post by Marlene » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:16 am

I'm very curious what a seventeen year-old "conservative" thinks conservatism in the US stands for and why that's good. I don't mean "respect the flag, strong defense" kind of pap, but what you think the conservative movement offers to materially improve the lives of citizens.

Also, you apparently don't know much about Nazism or Socialism, so I'm curious what you think "conservatism" is. Has your understanding changed since you first decided you had an affinity for others who called themselves that when you were seven? So, you loved Obama at six but became disillusioned? Was it fiscal policy or something else?
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#47 Post by Eris » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:18 am

I've seen many claims recently that the left calls for violence. Could I get some links to reports of that? I'm sure there are a few, but mostly what I hear from the left is calls to be rude in restaurants and calls to ban guns, neither of which count as violence in my book.
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#48 Post by Marlene » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:23 am

I'm a far-out pro-violence leftist for suggesting that people defend themselves with force when necessary. I get shunned by most liberals for that fanatical view. What planet are you talking about where the left advocates violence?
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Re: New Conservative Here.

#49 Post by TolerantOne » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:27 am

sikacz wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:31 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 pm
First off, the 2nd amendment apples to everyone living on US soil. There’s no age, I can be gifted a firearm before I’m even 18. (Only a long rifle), 2nd how come you have the right to speak but I don’t? The first amendment applies to everybody, not just you and one side. You’re offended? Maybe I’m offended that you think the first amendment only applies to you.

I’m here from the NY forum, I saw a thread about it and thought I should join.
This is not The Tolerant Gun Club.
Hey now! :shock: I take offense to that statement!

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#50 Post by Bisbee » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:28 am

Newbie, take a seat. We do not tolerate willful ignorance.

Violent Leftists? Methinks the lad is, "the pot calling the kettle black." If you have a problem with violence and are a closet pacifist (or just a hippiecrit), your CO at the ROTC might want to know about this.
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