Greetings!
Great to find this forum. I would love some advice on directions for me to investigate on getting a new rifle. I currently have a Savage Axis 243 which I like just fine, but in today's climate I would like a gun that would be good for hunting deer but also for protection if needed, so a semi-auto vs a bolt action I think would be best. I have at times had my eye on a Ruger mini-14, but I would love to hear what others might suggest? The world is awash in calibers! I'm not sure whether I will keep the Savage or not. I don't need to have a bunch of guns around, but a shotgun or two, a good rifle, a .22, and maybe a pistol would likely do it for me.
What I currently have:
Remington 870 12 ga
Stevens single shot 12
Savage Axis .243
What I had in the past and should never have sold:
Marlin 39A .22 Lever rifle.
Ruger Single Six 22/22mg single action revolver.
Thanks!
Peter.
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2where do you live? that will determine what we can entice you to buy
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3o/
Don't hunt, but if deer is on your radar and you're a fan of the lever, you'll find we have some fans here of the ol' .357 Magnum and .45 Colt lever guns. Harder to find ammo under current circumstances, sadly, but pair nicely with handguns and excellent rounds in general.
New inventory is drying up for almost everything, but you may be able to find interesting deals in the used market.
Don't hunt, but if deer is on your radar and you're a fan of the lever, you'll find we have some fans here of the ol' .357 Magnum and .45 Colt lever guns. Harder to find ammo under current circumstances, sadly, but pair nicely with handguns and excellent rounds in general.
New inventory is drying up for almost everything, but you may be able to find interesting deals in the used market.
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4Hi and welcome.
I'm not a hunter but I would think the ideal rifle would be an AR-10 in .308 Winchester or 6.5 Creedmoor with a 16" to 18" barrel.
.308 is definitely a hunting round and the AR-10 operates and looks very the same as the AR-15. I believe in most states you cannot hunt dear with the .223 cartridge.
Again, I'm not a hunter but I would think that cartridges capable of taking down a deer would have the issue of over-penetration for home defense.
I'm not a hunter but I would think the ideal rifle would be an AR-10 in .308 Winchester or 6.5 Creedmoor with a 16" to 18" barrel.
.308 is definitely a hunting round and the AR-10 operates and looks very the same as the AR-15. I believe in most states you cannot hunt dear with the .223 cartridge.
Again, I'm not a hunter but I would think that cartridges capable of taking down a deer would have the issue of over-penetration for home defense.
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5Thanks for the info. I currently live in SW Wisconsin, but it's likely I will be moving to Washington State soon.
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6Keep the 243 and the 870. Get some buckshot, and maybe put a short barrel on the 870. You're all set, and you can add from there.
223 is not legal for deer in Washington.
223 is not legal for deer in Washington.
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7I agree with Yankee for the most part though I would never talk anyone out of getting a mini 14, I find them fun. But there are caveats with that rifle. Once the barrel heats up it tends to string shots. There is a stabilizing thingy you can get after market that I am told helps with that. If defense is a key buying factor I prefer rounds less likely to annoy my neighbors by going through my walls into their's. Rust has the right of it about about buck shot and about deer hunting with 223. Big game in WA is .24 (6mm) minimum.
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8Howdy Peter,
Mini-30... 7.62x39
Keep it under 200 yards. Problem solved.
Mini-30... 7.62x39
Keep it under 200 yards. Problem solved.
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9Yup. Bisbee is wise. Mini-30 fills the bill nicely.
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10Excellent advice.Rust wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:04 pm Keep the 243 and the 870. Get some buckshot, and maybe put a short barrel on the 870. You're all set, and you can add from there.
223 is not legal for deer in Washington.
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11Read what you already wrote.flintlock wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:58 pm What I had in the past and should never have sold:
Marlin 39A .22 Lever rifle.
Ruger Single Six 22/22mg single action revolver.
Thanks!
Peter.
Marlin 39A.
Ruger Single Six.
Both readily available even these days.
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12It does pose a problem--a round that's legal for deer may have over-penetration issues. Buckshot may be the answer.Rust wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:04 pm Keep the 243 and the 870. Get some buckshot, and maybe put a short barrel on the 870. You're all set, and you can add from there.
223 is not legal for deer in Washington.
OTOH, it seems to me that you need a fairly long shotgun for deer (hunters: Correct me) and a shorter shotgun would be far better for home defense. Yet my friends down in the Bahamas where shotguns must be over 20" (or maybe 24"? Kronk--help!) do fine with them for both...but they shoot the wild hogs--no deer there.
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13I don't need to have "one gun for everything". If I need to keep the 243 for deer hunting that's fine. Barrels for my 870 seem easy enough to come by, so I could have a second shorter one. My Stevens single shot was sawn to 18" at some point in it's past, but currently the trigger is way too quick to pull. I have torn it all apart in an effort to fix it, but then got down to the receiver which seems to have a pressure pin holding everything together. Wasn't sure if I could go further myself, and haven't been able to find a gunsmith who is willing to, but think now I will give it a try. I have taken many things apart and put them back together with success on the farm for years. I think buckshot is good idea, but I also think a semi-auto rifle is a good idea, and I still may consider a 223. You can hunt deer with them in many states, you just need to know your ammo and your limitations, but a Mini 30 is a possibility as well, along with the other suggestions you all have offered. A .22 to get something in my wife and daughter's hands needs to happen as well I think. Right now I live on a farm with 2 other families and there's a 30-30 and a .22 I can use, but we won't be here much longer.
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14How big are the deer out there? 350 legend might be a good caliber. An ar would allow you to shoot .223, .22 and a deer cartridge (350, 6.5, 6.8) with just two barrels and three bolts.
also, check your state's rules on straight walled cartridge hunting seasons
also, check your state's rules on straight walled cartridge hunting seasons
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15If you aren't planning on hunting with the 870, you can always take a pair of tubing cutters, or a chop saw to it instead of paying another $150.00 for one. Just make sure you don't cut it too short! Use the saved money to buy shells!
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16The 870 was a gift from my dad, and I may well hunt with it, and I think I can get a used barrel for under $100 so I'll go that way, but thanks for the input!
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17The reason I suggested the AR-10 (I have a Windham Weaponry "Hunter" even though I don't hunt) is that you said, initially, you wanted a gun for hunting deer and self-defense. Since you're moving to Washington State, where you cannot hunt deer with .223 rounds, I thought the AR-10 was a good alternative. Mine is only 8.5 # even with wood "furniture" (so it doesn't look like a "scary, black gun") and an 18" barrel. 7.62 x 51 NATO rounds and .308 Win do equally well in it. Some Windhams in .308 are as light as 7.5 #
Then there's always the buckshot route.
Then there's always the buckshot route.
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18Very good thoughts. I love the wood "furniture", so it doesn't look like a scary black gun! I love wood, and I'm old school I guess you could say about firearms in that way.YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:39 pm The reason I suggested the AR-10 (I have a Windham Weaponry "Hunter" even though I don't hunt) is that you said, initially, you wanted a gun for hunting deer and self-defense. Since you're moving to Washington State, where you cannot hunt deer with .223 rounds, I thought the AR-10 was a good alternative. Mine is only 8.5 # even with wood "furniture" (so it doesn't look like a "scary, black gun") and an 18" barrel. 7.62 x 51 NATO rounds and .308 Win do equally well in it. Some Windhams in .308 are as light as 7.5 #
Then there's always the buckshot route.
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19A .22 for the wife and daughter is a great idea. The classic pewpewpew gun is the Ruger 10/22, or a bolt gun which is also totally fun.
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20The only thing it needed to be made NJ compliant was the A2 flash arrestor had to be replaced with a pinned and welded muzzle break. I hate that because if you have to remove the gas block, WTF do you do, except replace the barrel or cut off the end?flintlock wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:14 pmVery good thoughts. I love the wood "furniture", so it doesn't look like a scary black gun! I love wood, and I'm old school I guess you could say about firearms in that way.YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:39 pm The reason I suggested the AR-10 (I have a Windham Weaponry "Hunter" even though I don't hunt) is that you said, initially, you wanted a gun for hunting deer and self-defense. Since you're moving to Washington State, where you cannot hunt deer with .223 rounds, I thought the AR-10 was a good alternative. Mine is only 8.5 # even with wood "furniture" (so it doesn't look like a "scary, black gun") and an 18" barrel. 7.62 x 51 NATO rounds and .308 Win do equally well in it. Some Windhams in .308 are as light as 7.5 #
Then there's always the buckshot route.
I'd like to see more manufacturers offer semi-auto rifles with an optional non-threaded barrel.
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21Oooh, wood.
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22Thanks, while it is a very nice Boyd laminated wood stock and fore end, there are some makers of solid wood stocks and fore ends that are stunning. I must admit to being tempted to replace the pistol grip with a matching wood one to complete the look, but the rubber one works really well.
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23today (in the depths of the ammo drought) at the evil empire (they don't sell pistol ammo) they had 243, 270, 6.5, 30-06(1 box) 308, 7mm and 300whatchamacallit. some .22. no shortage of shotgun shells. maybe let that sort of thing guide your decision?
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24Feel this. Even .22LR is getting thin here. Checked; some 5.56 and 7.62x39 available, mostly Tula in the latter.
Now, if you want .45-70, that they have. Might be overkill here, though. In general.
Now, if you want .45-70, that they have. Might be overkill here, though. In general.
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25Is 243 legal for deer hunting in WA? If so keep it.
Add the Mini-14 to your list. Unsure if any magazine capacity laws for WA. Look at the Ruger 10/22 if going that route.
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Add the Mini-14 to your list. Unsure if any magazine capacity laws for WA. Look at the Ruger 10/22 if going that route.
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