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The FBI does not compile data on mass shootings. They track active shooter incidents. An active shooter is when the shooting is still going on when the cops get called, so the cops might have a chance to stop it.
There is no set definition of mass shooting. Anybody who counts them can define them any way they like. As long as they are up front and consistent with their definitions, there is nothing wrong with that. Some count any incident where 4 or more people are shot in one incident as a mass shooting. Going by that, and using numbers from the 'Hey Jackass' website, there have been more than 20 mass shootings in Chicago already this year. It's likely that none of them qualified for the FBI active shooter list.

I see there's another one in Chicago today, this one definitely an active shooter.

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Rust wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:58 pm As long as they are up front and consistent with their definitions, there is nothing wrong with that.
That being the problem. All "mass shootings", however defined, are lumped together to inflate number of events and promote fear. Most of the things called "mass shootings" are not something people need to worry about on a day to day basis (they aren't random public events). That doesn't make them less tragic. But they are being dishonestly used to drive an agenda.

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featureless wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:12 pm
Rust wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:58 pm As long as they are up front and consistent with their definitions, there is nothing wrong with that.
That being the problem. All "mass shootings", however defined, are lumped together to inflate number of events and promote fear. Most of the things called "mass shootings" are not something people need to worry about on a day to day basis (they aren't random public events). That doesn't make them less tragic. But they are being dishonestly used to drive an agenda.
hmm
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fo ... -rcna36640

Great 4th of July...
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Yes, the headline is about 3 big mass public shootings, then the ___ number of "mass shootings" that is always included, then a bunch of seemingly random shootings that do and do not include "mass shootings" as the evidence of how horrific it all is. It is plenty horrific without needing to conflate things. The list is useless without causality because most of those shooting, while horrific, have nothing to do with your risk of getting mass shot.

We can't solve our violence problem if we aren't honest about where, why and how it happens. Mass hysteria isn't going to help. And that is what the media is looking to stoke.

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featureless wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:15 am Mass hysteria isn't going to help. And that is what the media is looking to stoke.
Yup and every news story about shootings especially ones with mass casualties, contains a diatribe about the number of shootings in the US in recent history. And then they usually talk about America's lax gun laws and push the anti-gun mantra.
Despite rising sharply in 2020, the U.S. murder rate remains below the levels of the early 1990s. The 2020 homicide rate of 7.8 homicides per 100,000 people was 22% below the rate of 1991 (10 homicides per 100,000 people) and far below the rates recorded in much of the 1970s and 1980s, according to the CDC. As is the case for violent and property crime rates more broadly, the U.S. murder rate has generally trended downward in recent decades, though 2020 was an obvious exception.
Americans remain far less likely to die from murder than from other causes, including from suicide and drug overdose. The U.S. murder rate in 2020 was 42% lower than the suicide rate (13.5 deaths per 100,000 people) and 71% below the mortality rate for drug overdose (27.1 deaths per 100,000 people, as of the third quarter of 2020), the CDC data shows. As was the case with murders, drug overdoses increased sharply in 2020.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... s-in-2020/

The media obsesses on firearms deaths and not on drug deaths, they haven't figured out how to solve our drug problem. 7.8% per 100,000 is low, but the media is obsessed. 7,800 homicides in a population of 330,000,000 people is really low, but the media and anti-gunners want it to be zero which is impossible. Instead of reporting "news" they hype it for their own benefit.
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