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Next thing you know they will be making a martyr of Tim McVeigh and Trump will be issuing a posthumous pardon for his actions in OKC bombing. It fits the puzzle of backward thinking by this cult of stupidity.

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Bisbee wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:39 am Folks, we have to let go of the idea that people living in the same world should see the world in the same way as you do. That sort of expectation leads to suffering. In a country like ours where the leaders seeks to divide and conquer ,many people will be blind some even willfully so. Expect that to be the case and you stand in more solid grounding.
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The attorneys representing Kyle Rittenhouse, the Illinois teenager accused of killing two people this week during protests in Kenosha, Wis., have claimed their client acted in self-defense. Rittenhouse has been charged with five criminal counts, including first-degree intentional homicide and first-degree reckless homicide.

On Tuesday, Rittenhouse allegedly opened fire during protests that have dominated the Wisconsin city after Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old Black man, was shot in the back seven times by Kenosha police in front of three of his children Sunday afternoon. Rittenhouse was taken into custody Wednesday in Illinois and is being held in a juvenile detention facility since he is 17. It is still unclear whether he will be prosecuted in Wisconsin, where he would be tried as an adult.

Pierce Bainbridge, the law firm representing the teen, said that Rittenhouse and a friend had been asked by a local business owner — whose auto dealership had sustained damage during previous nights of protests — to provide security for his store during the protests. Rittenhouse then reportedly made his way to a second auto dealership, where he was confronted by protesters.

"Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle," the attorneys said, Chicago's NBC affiliate reported. "He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker." They added, "In fear for his life and concerned the crowd would either continue to shoot at him or even use his own weapon against him, Kyle had no choice but to fire multiple rounds towards his immediate attackers, striking two, including one armed attacker."

Rittenhouse, the lawyers argued, was exercising his "God-given, Constitutional, common law and statutory law right to self-defense." If tried and convicted of first-degree intentional homicide in Wisconsin, Rittenhouse would face a mandatory life sentence in prison.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -claims-he

In 2016 Kenosha County, WI went for Trump by a small percentage, also for incumbent Ron Johnson over Russ Feingold for Senate and for incumbent Paul Ryan for the House. They've elected Republicans and Democrats to political office.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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President Donald Trump will travel to Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Tuesday to meet with law enforcement and to survey some of the damage from the recent protests, the White House announced Saturday evening. When asked if the President would meet with the family of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old Black man who was shot by police, White House spokesman Judd Deere said that the schedule hasn't been fully ironed out yet.

Blake's family led a march of hundreds of people on Saturday in Kenosha, demanding an end to police violence and systemic racism. Blake, who was shot by a White police officer, has undergone multiple surgeries. Unrest in Wisconsin following the police shooting of Blake in Kenosha has quickly turned into a political flashpoint in one of the nation's most important swing states.

When asked earlier Saturday if he will visit Kenosha, Trump said, "probably so" before praising the federal presence in Wisconsin. "Probably so. We've had tremendous success as you know. We were finally able to get the go ahead from the local authorities to send in the National Guard," Trump said. "Within a few minutes of the guard, everybody cleared out and it became safe."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/29/politics ... index.html
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Protester killed just now in Portland during the MAGA truck parade in downtown. Initial reports from local news saying that shots were fired from a vehicle at a protester on the sidewalk. Two bullets to the chest, proclaimed dead at the scene. MAGAts sprayed the crowd with bear spray and paintballs from their trucks. Lots of fist fights, trucks barging through red lights / crosswalks / pedestrians, etc. What a mess.
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UPDATE:
According to the associated press, the victim was wearing a "Patriot Prayer" hat. I'm guessing that's not an antifa chapter... hazy video shows a vehicle at the scene but also a possible shooter running after the shots and someone who appears to be collecting casings. Right wing twitter already calling it "terrorist violence."
I'm going to bed.
Crow.
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The the hell is this "God-given" right to self-defence that republican christians keep touting. Who said that killing someone is self-defense is a god given right? Jesus didn't allow throwing stones let alone the 10 commandments of thou shall not kill. If anything was God Given was forgiveness of ones enemy.

Where is the god given right in that?

MP

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what the hell is this "God-given" right to self-defence that republican christians keep touting. Who said that killing someone is self-defense is a god given? Jesus didn't allow throwing stones let alone the 10 commandments of thou shall not kill. If anything was God Given was forgiveness of ones enemy and Jesus died so others didn't have to?

Where is the god given right in that?

MP
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WTF :angry:
Kenosha Police Chief Blames Murdered Protesters for Their Own Deaths

After two protesters were murdered by 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Tuesday night, the city’s Chief of Police Dan Miskinis appeared to imply in comments to media that it was the murdered protesters themselves who were to blame.

Rittenhouse had traveled from his home in Antioch, Illinois, to Kenosha in order to join other militia members who had gathered there armed with rifles and other weaponry, purportedly to defend businesses and other property in the area against demonstrators who were protesting the police-perpetrated shooting of Jacob Blake earlier this week. Late Tuesday night, the teenager shot and killed two protesters, injuring a third, but was able to walk by law enforcement even as witnesses alerted the officers to Rittenhouse’s actions.

“He just shot someone,” an unidentified person on a video featuring Rittenhouse can be heard saying to police.

Rittenhouse was transported back to his home that evening. The following day, he was charged with first-degree intentional homicide and labeled a “fugitive from justice” after leaving Wisconsin “with the intent to avoid prosecution for the offense.” He was later arrested and detained by Antioch police.

Miskinis, in discussing the individuals Rittenhouse killed, seemed to place the responsibility for those deaths on the victims themselves, citing a curfew law that had been in effect when the crime happened.

“Everybody involved was out after the curfew,” Miskinis said. “I’m not going to make a great deal of it, but the point is that the curfew is in place to protect. Had persons not been out in violation of that, perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened.”

Miskinis also appeared to downplay the shootings that Rittenhouse committed, stating that in his view the teen had used his weapon that night “to resolve whatever conflict was in place” at the time.

The actions of law enforcement in Kenosha on Tuesday evening have been widely criticized, particularly regarding their interactions with militia members that came to the city, including Rittenhouse. In video recordings that have been posted to social media, officers are seen interacting with the teenager and other militia members he was associated with, handing them water bottles and thanking them for their presence that evening.

“We appreciate you guys, we really do,” one officer said directly to Rittenhouse just moments before he shot at and killed protesters.

Aside from the murder charges he now faces, Rittenhouse may have also violated a state gun law, a matter that law enforcement on Tuesday evening didn’t seem to care much about. According to Wisconsin statutes, no person under the age of 18 may openly carry a weapon, including rifles like the one Rittenhouse was wielding, unless they’re doing so for hunting purposes or for self defense.

Miskinis was not the only person in the state making controversial accusations of blame toward other individuals. Republican lawmakers, too, are trying to imply that the blame for protesters being shot at and killed rests at the feet of Democratic Gov. Tony Evers.

Speaking on a right-wing radio program on Wednesday, Assembly Speaker Robin Vos faulted Evers for not sending enough state national guard troops to Kenosha and for initially refusing federal troops that were offered by President Donald Trump to go to the city. “Those people did not have to die and because of Tony Evers’s actions, they’re dead,” Vos said.

Evers has reportedly relented and agreed to allow a federal presence to enter the city, according to tweets from Trump. Federal troop presences in other cities have led to an escalation of violence by police forces. Oregon Gov. Kate Brown explained in July how federal troops in Portland earlier this year made matters worse for that city, for example.

“Things were beginning to calm down. Then Trump’s troops arrived,” Brown said in an interview with PBS. “And it’s simply like pouring gasoline on a fire.”
https://truthout.org/articles/kenosha-p ... wn-deaths/

Sounds like logic from President Donnie Dumbass. But, never fear it will get worse
(CNN) — President Donald Trump will travel to Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Tuesday to meet with law enforcement and to survey some of the damage from the recent protests, the White House announced Saturday evening.

When asked earlier Saturday if he will visit Kenosha, Trump said, "probably so" before praising the federal presence in Wisconsin.

"Probably so. We've had tremendous success as you know. We were finally able to get the go ahead from the local authorities to send in the National Guard," Trump said. "Within a few minutes of the guard, everybody cleared out and it became safe."

Trump and the GOP used this week's Republican National Convention to shine a spotlight on violence and property damage that has resulted from some of the protests over racial injustice and police brutality this summer -- as fires had raged in Kenosha on consecutive nights.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/29/politics ... index.html

But, never fear its going to get worse with Trump and his big racist mouth.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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Christian fundraising site has raised over $220,000 for accused Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse

According to a report from the Religion News Service, a website dedicated to raising funds for Christian endeavors has allowed supporters of accused Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse to accumulate over $220,000 for his defense.

Rittenhouse, 17, is facing extradition to Wisconsin and has been charged as an adult with two counts of first-degree homicide and one count of attempted homicide in addition to charges of recklessly endangering two other victims and possessing a weapon while under the age of 18.

As RNS reports. the fundraising site Give Send Go has been hosting the plea for money for Rittenhouse, reaching $223,000 by early Sunday morning — exceeding its goal of $200,000.

The Give Send Go campaign for Rittenhouse, titled “Raise money for Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Defense,” contains a statement reading, “Kyle Rittenhouse just defended himself from a brutal attack by multiple members of the far-leftist group ANTIFA – the experience was undoubtedly a brutal one, as he was forced to take two lives to defend his own. Now, Kyle is being unfairly charged with murder 1, by a DA who seems determined only to capitalize on the political angle of the situation. The situation was clearly self-defense, and Kyle and his family will undoubtedly need money to pay for the legal fees. Let’s give back to someone who bravely tried to defend his community.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/christ ... ttenhouse/

"... Let’s give back to someone who bravely tried to defend his community." Talk about a load of BS. Is his a community a group of Racist white so called Christians? Sounds like the evolution of the KKK.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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I’m going out on a limb to say I for one am glad he’s got some legal defense money coming to him. I don’t care if it came from misguided religious whatever’s. The fact is I believe the kid was cannon fodder for right wing manipulators. He’s not really employed, lives in an apartment with his mother who is a CNA (nurse’s assistant). They don’t have any money. And yet these poor white folks are fed a line about immigrants or colored people taking their rightful place in America and feel the daily challenges of wage insecurity.

Many people here say the kid was misguided. Take the next step and see that he was actively brainwashed. He’s 17 fer chrissakes! Frankly I was amazed he displayed the kind of trigger discipline he showed in the videos.

This whole affair appears more and more the responsibility of the police. Their tactic of driving protestors toward armed civilians seemed to be unprofessional and deliberately meant to cause harm. I do not need to see this kid spend the rest of his life in jail (along with therapy for killing two people). I do need to see an FBI investigation of the police department’s handling of that evening now that more and more people are coming forward with accusations the PD meant to instigate a riot.

Armed White Supremacist in Kenosha Says He Collaborated and Strategized With Local Police
https://www.thenorthstar.com/shaun-king ... al-police/
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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I can’t imagine any good reason why a 17 y/o should be allowed to run around with firearms in the middle of all that chaos. 17 y/o’s are just very poor decision makers. Setting aside what I may think about him or his politics, where were the adults in this situation: His parents? His fellow ‘militia members’?

It’s this kind of irresponsibility that makes gun owners look bad.

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One report I read said that Rittenhouse had been approached by a right wing law firm to represent him pro-bono, that's not surprising there were probably a number of law firms that approached him. Pierce Bainbridge the law firm he selected might have represented some of Trump's campaign officials, but they don't appear to be a law firm with a right wing agenda. He's facing some very serious charges.

Rittenhouse appears to be an only child being raised by a single mother and he's a high school drop out. No information on his father. His interest in law enforcement may have been his search for a father figure, still a lot of unknowns. The media is wrapping it up together with the Jacob Blake shooting, they are two very separate incidents that happened in Kenosha County. Reports are that the gun Rittenhouse used belongs to someone he knows in Wisconsin, so it wasn't stolen or taken over state lines. The feeding frenzy by the media and others have turned this into a circus of opinions when we need facts.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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I will disagree with Bisbee on some points. A seventeen year old will be tried as an adult and under the law is responsible for their actions. Just like a seventeen year old can join the US military and be trained to kill people.

I also would like to know where did he acquire an AR15 and let's charge that person as an accomplice for letting him have it.

The law is suppose to be color blind then let him be treated by the courts and justice departments same as a person of color. Across these United States there are many people of color, sitting in prisons with long sentences for crimes they committed at seventeen year olds or younger. These are lesser crimes than killing someone.

The police should be investigated for not asking for an ID and what was a young man doing there with an AR-15.

This so called "Christian" Group that is raising money by shouting racist rhetoric might be questioned as to how much will go to his defense or their pockets. Furthermore ask yourselves this. Would they be making the same statements or helping had this young man been black or brown?

Are they collecting money for the family of Jacob Blake, the black man shoot in the back by the Kenosha PD and left paralyzed?

Also are the families of those killed while exercising their constitutional rights going to be helped by this "Christian" Group?

Just some thoughts too mull over.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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The Jacob Blake shooting was turned over to Wisconsin Atty Gen Josh Kaul, he is a Democrat. The Kyle Rittenhouse was charged by Kenosha County District Attorney Michael D. Graveley who is a Democrat and ran unopposed in 2016. Rittenhouse has been charged and will be extradited to WI to face trial, then it's up to a court to pass judgement based on the evidence and the law.

It's an election year so politicians butt in, Trump is going to Kenosha to support law enforcement and Kamala Harris said the officer who shot Blake should be charged. Stupidity all around.

In San Diego, CA a former sheriff's deputy has been charged with murder for shooting a fleeing suspect in the back. The cop is white and the victim was white. This will be first case of an LEO in CA being charged with murder under the states new police use of force law. Still nothing from the LA Sheriff's Dept on the shooting of Andres Guardado, he was shot in the back while face down on the ground. The cop is Latino and the victim was Latino.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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featureless wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:11 pm
wings wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:57 pm KPD would have shot him dead where he stood if he was Black, then framed him as a rioter.
This very well may be true. What the kid did or did not do should not be conflated with what KPD did or did not do.
He was out after the Kenosha curfew. He was a minor, carrying openly in a state that only allows carry for minors while hunting. He was a participant in a public disturbance with property damage and a credible threat of violence, which he then perpetrated - a riot under federal law. That's at least three undeniable criminal acts coinciding with his use of deadly force.
WI 939.48 Self defense and defense of others wrote:(b) The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies:
1. The actor was engaged in a criminal activity or was using his or her dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business to further a criminal activity at the time.
An aggressive prosecutor will file charges to that effect, with the intent that a judge will instruct the jury to disregard self-defense arguments if they find him guilty. A prosecutor who wants to let him off, will not. The law is clear in theory, but in practice there's an awful lot of prosecutorial discretion.

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I like to see these discussions such as between Bisbee and TrueTexan. That's the ticket.

Yes, he is a child. Yes, he is 17 and such and so. Both true, which is so sad.

It is true he was manipulated. It is true he should have known better. It is true people died. So sad.

The emptiness of the petty bourgeois wanna-bees perhaps should be expected from humans. Now we know why Aesop was so famous.

The only way I think I'm going to make it until Nov 4 is to think about Superman in the 50's.

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