Not guns: archery mass shooting in Norway

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Not all in English, but this is pretty gnarly for a civilized nation.

I only post this to show that it's the person doing the shooting. I mean, bows don't just go off by themselves. So: people. It's people, people.

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Norway like Sweden and Denmark has a single national police force. Norway recently recognized the 10 year anniversary of the Breivik mass murders. It's doubtful Anders Breivik will ever be released.

Police in Norway temporarily armed after attack
Following the attacks, the police directorate said it had ordered officers nationwide to carry firearms. Norwegian police are normally unarmed but officers have access to guns and rifles when needed.

“This is an extra precaution. The police have no indication so far that there is a change in the national threat level,” the directorate said in a statement.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 38000.html
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A 37-year-old man was charged on Thursday in connection with a bow-and-arrow rampage in a small town in Norway that killed five people in what the authorities said was an apparent act of terrorism.

The Norwegian security agency, known by its acronym, PST [counterintelligence, counterterrorism], said investigators were still trying to determine what motivated the attacker to carry out his grisly assault in the town of Kongsberg, about 50 miles southwest of Oslo. Earlier, the regional police chief said that the authorities had previously been in contact with the man over concerns that he had been radicalized.

“We have previously been in contact with him regarding worries about radicalization,” Bredrup Saeverud, the regional police chief, said at a news conference. Asked whether the man might have been motivated by extreme religious ideology, he added, “We don’t know that, but it’s natural to ask the question.”

Four women and one man were killed in the assault on Wednesday evening. The attacker, who escaped an initial confrontation with the police, unleashed a volley of arrows at apparent strangers in Kongsberg. The suspect, whose name has not been released, is a Danish citizen who lived in the town and who had converted to Islam, officials said on Thursday.

The police chief said that the last time concerns about the suspect’s radicalization had been brought to the police’s attention was last year, but he did not say who had contacted them with those concerns. He said only that the police had followed up on multiple reports.

The suspect is expected to appear before a judge on Friday, when the specific charges against him will be made public. Fredrik Neumann, his court-appointed lawyer, said in an interview that the man was cooperating with the authorities and was undergoing a mental health evaluation. He said the man’s mother was Danish and his father Norwegian.

The five people killed were aged 50 to 70, Mr. Saeverud said, and two people injured in the attack were expected to survive. It was the worst mass killing in Norway since 2011, when a far-right extremist killed 77 people, most of them teenagers at a camp.

On Thursday, the police offered new details about the attack, which Prime Minister Erna Solberg called “terrifying.”

The first call to the police came at 6:12 p.m., with witnesses describing a scene of chaos and unprovoked violence at a supermarket in Kongsberg, a former silver mining village.

One woman told the local news outlet TV2 that she had seen people hiding from a man standing on a street corner with “arrows in a quiver on his shoulder and a bow in his hand.” As he shot the arrows, she said, people ran for their lives. Six minutes after the first call came into the police, officers confronted the attacker. He fired arrows at the officers and escaped.

At one point, the attacker crossed a bridge spanning the Numedalslagen River and cut through the town, a bucolic area that serves as an escape for people seeking refuge from the bustle of Oslo. As he made his way through the town, he attacked people seemingly at random, according to the police. One of the injured was an off-duty police officer, and a photo of him with an arrow in his back was circulated widely online.

The police on Thursday asked the public to “please stop sharing photos,” saying that doing so was “unwise and disrespectful.”

The police said the attacker had used a second weapon in the rampage, though they did not offer further details. But it was the arrows that marked the trail of devastation.

At 6:47 p.m., the police detained the suspect — 35 minutes after the first reports of violence.

A police lawyer, Ann Iren Svane Mathiassen, told TV2 that the suspect had lived in the town for several years.

Murder is rare in Norway. In a country with a population of just over five million, there were 31 murders last year, most involving people who knew each other. Still, the nation has yet to fully reckon with the trauma of the devastating 2011 mass killing.

The Norwegian authorities have expressed concern that not enough is being done to root out right-wing extremism, especially among young people. In July, analysts with the country’s intelligence services warned that a decade after the 2011 attack, there are young men and boys who idolize the gunman.

Norway has stringent gun-control laws, and before that attack the country had experienced only one mass shooting: In 1988, a gunman killed four people and wounded two others. In the past decade, the Norwegian authorities have stepped up their efforts to stamp out terrorism and political violence. That push has included an “action plan” that outlines preventive measures aimed at spotting and quelling the kind of radicalization that could lead to violence.

A key part of the effort is reaching out to people who are brought to the authorities’ attention, starting with what is generally referred to in the country as a “conversation of concern.” As the fallout from the latest attack reverberated, a new center-left government was being sworn in on Thursday morning.

Jonas Gahr Store, the Labour Party leader who was installed as prime minister, said at the ceremony that “what has happened in Kongsberg is terrible.” He promised a full investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/worl ... ttack.html
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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In a statement, the police identified the suspect as Espen Andersen Brathen. The Norwegian security agency, known by its acronym, PST, said investigators were still trying to determine what motivated the attacker to carry out his grisly assault in the town of Kongsberg, about 50 miles southwest of Oslo.

The statement said that Mr. Brathren had been apprehended in Kongsberg.

Earlier, the regional police chief said that the suspect was known to the authorities.

“We have previously been in contact with him regarding worries about radicalization,” Ole Bredrup Saeverud, the regional police chief, said at a news conference before the suspect was named. Asked whether the assailant might have been motivated by extreme religious ideology, he added, “We don’t know that, but it’s natural to ask the question.”

Four women and one man were killed in the assault on Wednesday evening. The attacker, who escaped an initial confrontation with the police, unleashed a volley of arrows at apparent strangers in Kongsberg.

The police chief said that the last time concerns about the suspect’s radicalization had been brought to the police’s attention was last year, but he did not say who had contacted them with those concerns. He said only that the police had followed up on multiple reports. Mr. Brathen is expected to appear before a judge on Friday, when the specific charges against him will be made public.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/worl ... ttack.html


Espionage and extremism used to require that suspects talked on the phone or met face to face or traveled to a foreign country, now it all happens on the internet and can be disguised in many ways. Brathen is not the first person to be radicalized online
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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The attack was first reported at 18:12 (16:12 GMT) on Wednesday. Police confronted the man six minutes later, but he shot several arrows at them and escaped. He was eventually caught about 30 minutes later.

It was during this time, between being first approached and then arrested, that the victims were killed, the police chief said.

A woman was also stabbed at a nearby intersection, witnesses told local media.


Police fired warning shots when he was eventually arrested, but it is not clear if officers were armed when they first came across the suspect. Norwegian police do not usually carry guns on them - weapons are stored at police stations or in their patrol cars.
Police prosecutor Ann Irén Svane Mathiassen told NRK that from what they could tell all those attacked were "completely random victims".

She said the police believed the man went into people's homes to kill them during the attack.
Police have told Norwegian news agency NTB that the attacker also used other weapons during the incident, without giving more details.
Bows and arrows are not classed as illegal weapons in Norway. Buying and owning them is permitted, and owners are not required to register them, although they must be used at designated archery ranges.

After the attack, police officers nationwide were ordered to carry firearms as an extra precaution, but there is "no indication so far that there is a change in the national threat level," the directorate said in a statement (in Norwegian).

The PST said the level would remain at moderate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58910794

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Espen Andersen Brathen is set to appear in court at 09:00 local time on Friday
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It was during this time, between being first approached and then arrested, that the victims were killed, the police chief said.
I suspect that the cops weren't armed in their first encounter with Brathen, if they were they could have shot him before he went on his killing rampage. That's on the Norwegian government and police service.

tonguengroover wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:56 pm I always wondered what authentic Muslim people think about white gringos becoming Islamic.
P:robably the same as what Buddists and Hindus think about the white gringos.
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We should be careful not give religions an ethnic bias. They are ideas, nothing else. When I was in school (Catholic), at the head of the parish was Fr. Sadie. A Syrian. Without his collar, you might mistake him for Muslim, if you wished to categorize him religiously.

CCHS was a lot more ethnically diverse place than one might imagine. All good Christians, albeit with an exception or two.

It's the ideas that need reformation.
Thank God for Atheists.

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And the Colorado Nit Wit, Lauren Boebert had to stick her stupid 2 cents in.
I swear, the more information Americans have access to, the dumber and more ignorant the politicians they elect--especially on the ReDumblican side.
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papajim2jordan wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:41 am We should be careful not give religions an ethnic bias. They are ideas, nothing else. When I was in school (Catholic), at the head of the parish was Fr. Sadie. A Syrian. Without his collar, you might mistake him for Muslim, if you wished to categorize him religiously.

CCHS was a lot more ethnically diverse place than one might imagine. All good Christians, albeit with an exception or two.

It's the ideas that need reformation.
That would be where Martin Luther came in, reformation.
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lurker wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:57 pm military-style magazine-fed crossbows are right out..
https://www.amazon.com/EK-Archery-Autom ... B07ZQNWBDV

I expect the CA legislature will pass a bill outlawing them and Newsom will sign it into law. The justification being that the Kongsberg murders made people feel uncomfortable.
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highdesert wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:29 am
lurker wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:57 pm military-style magazine-fed crossbows are right out..
https://www.amazon.com/EK-Archery-Autom ... B07ZQNWBDV

I expect the CA legislature will pass a bill outlawing them and Newsom will sign it into law. The justification being that the Kongsberg murders made people feel uncomfortable.
I would feel uncomfortable too if I was shot with an arrow. :sarcasm:
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