1 LEO shot in Jersey City altercation with 2 gunmen

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Active Shooter In Jersey City; 2 Gunmen Shooting At Cops, 1 Officer Down
There is an active shooter situation unfolding in Jersey City on Tuesday afternoon.

According to scanner traffic, two gunmen are firing at police officers and random people. The gunmen are reportedly shooting from inside a bodega located at 223 Martin Luther King Drive near Bidwell Avenue.
Police say the two arrived with a U-Haul van and had long-guns.
2 Cops Possibly Shot in ‘Ambush’ Active Shooter Situation in NJ: Sources
Police are responding to an active shooter situation in Jersey City, and preliminary reports are that two officers have been hit in what one law enforcement source described as an "ambush," Hudson County sources say.

Sources say one individual, apparently with a long gun, may have been firing from a bodega. The situation is extremely fluid, and details are rapidly developing.

The county's SWAT team is responding, sources added. Schools in the Greenville area, the southern portion of Jersey City, have been locked down.

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Stiff wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:01 pm So, all the gun laws in NJ don’t stop this?
No. One police officer, 3 civilians, and the 2 suspects are dead. 2 other officers were shot, 2 more were injured.

While the suspects had one or two long guns, initially authorities have said this is not a terrorist event. There was a system wide school lock-down including a school close by. Parents were frantic but the children apparently took it in stride as they have lock-down drills regularly, just like we used to have fire drills. They watched movies, had extra snacks, "did math" (?) as they were kept late until the lock-down ended. Now trying to get all the kids safely home.

JC mayor about to give an update.

Other than identifying the officers shot, there isn't much added. The dead officer was a detective with 15 years experience and they implied that he came upon the suspects first.
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The deadly shooting that left a police officer and five others dead here targeted a kosher supermarket, the city's mayor said Wednesday.

"Last night after extensive review of our CCTV system it has now become clear from the cameras that these two individuals targeted the Kosher grocery location" on Martin Luther King Drive, Mayor Steve Fulop tweeted. Fulop did not explain why the grocery store was a target. Jersey City Police Chief Michael Kelly said Tuesday he had "no inkling on motive."

The detective was identified as Joseph Seals, a father of five from North Arlington who was part of a department tasked to get guns off of the city's streets. Seals was on duty and in plainclothes Tuesday when he was shot by at least one of the suspects at Bayview Cemetery. The shootout lasted two hours before police killed the suspects at about 2:30 p.m. The two suspects, who were not identified, and three other people were found dead inside the store. The bystanders were struck by rounds thought to have been fired by the suspects, police said. They were inside a kosher grocery store in a section of the city that has become a gathering place for about 100 Orthodox Jewish families.

"I’m Jewish and proud to live in a community like #JerseyCity that has always welcomed everyone. It is the home of #EllisIsland and has always been the golden door to America. Hate and anti-semitism have never had a place here in JC and will never have a place in our city," the mayor said on Twitter.

Jersey City Police Chief Michael Kelly said the officer was trying to stop some “bad guys” near a cemetery. The gunmen then drove a stolen rental van to another part of the city and engaged police in the lengthy shootout from inside the kosher market. The front end of the supermarket was destroyed, with much of the store front in ruins. Bullet holes could be seen on the walls and windows of Sacred Heart School that face the market.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 396182002/

The son of former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik helped shoot dead two detective-killing gunmen who yesterday killed three inside a Jersey City kosher store. Joseph Kerik, of Newark Police Department, was among officers who smashed through the storefront in an armored car following a two-hour shootout during which hundreds of rounds were exchanged. Detective Kerik and two other officers jumped from the vehicle and into the shop where they shot the suspects dead, sources revealed.

Bernard Kerik, who is known as Bernie, tweeted: 'At Jersey City Medical Center with my son Joe... he's okay by Prayers for the Jersey City Police and their fallen officer.'
The chaos began shortly before 12.30pm, when Det. Seals was shot dead by the two suspects at the Bay View Cemetery, which is a Protestant Christian burial ground.

Seals, a member of the CeaseFire Unit dedicated to de-escalating gun violence, encountered the suspects while on an investigation. The two suspects are believed to be linked to the Saturday death of Michael Rumberger, 34. There have been multiple reports that Seals was investigating Rumberger's death when he was killed, however police have not officially confirmed this.

Sources say that Seals spotted a stolen U-Haul van that police suspected was linked to Rumberger's murder, and approached the vehicle near the cemetery, WNBC-TV reported. As Seals approached, a suspect got out of the van to shoot the officer before speeding off. Police immediately pursued. The suspects apparently drove in the stolen U-Haul directly to the JC Kosher Supermarket, about a mile away. Shots were reported in the area at around 12.30pm, as the two suspects clad in all-black stormed the store.

Wielding high-powered rifles they went on to fire hundreds of rounds over the next few hours before Kerik and his colleagues stormed the store at around 3pm.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... d-car.html
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It was a terrorist shooting after all. The two shooters were anti-Semites who targeted a Kosher "bodega". It was inevitable that it would happen in NJ, where there are many of us Jews from "cultural Jews"(like me) to Ultra-Orthodox and everything between. And it's why, when Trump was elected, I elected to buy guns.
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:06 am It was a terrorist shooting after all. The two shooters were anti-Semites who targeted a Kosher "bodega". It was inevitable that it would happen in NJ, where there are many of us Jews from "cultural Jews"(like me) to Ultra-Orthodox and everything between. And it's why, when Trump was elected, I elected to buy guns.
Definitely anti-Semitic I haven't read if it was terrorist. Nothing about the two shooters if they're homegrown anti-Semites, white supremacists or somehow radicalized. Horrible loss of life, the cop killed was 39 years old with five children. Yes a kosher market would have been a magnet for Ultra-Orthodox. :(

Time for a push to liberalize concealed carry in NJ?
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Jersey City suspects targeted kosher store where 3 died, officials say
Four law enforcement sources familiar with the case told NBC New York that the suspects were David Anderson and Francine Graham.

According to three sources, Anderson was a one-time follower of the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, whose members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites and may adhere to both Christian and Judaic beliefs, and his social media pages include anti-police and anti-Jewish writings. Investigators are looking to see if it was Anderson himself who posted that material.

Inside the van used by Anderson and Graham was a note with religious writings, the three sources said.

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Black Hebrew Israelite members were the ones that were protesting in front of the Capitol when the Catholic Boys School students with the MAGA hats stumbled onto the nightly news like dimwits.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/francine-graham/
The SPLC added, “Although most Hebrew Israelites are neither explicitly racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence, there is a rising extremist sector within the Hebrew Israelite movement whose adherents believe that Jews are devilish impostors and who openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery.”

White supremacist leader Tom Metzger once said, “They’re the black counterparts of us.”
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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The hate mongers behind the deadly Jersey City shooting that left three civilians and a police officer dead were a pair of religious-fanatic lovers who lived together in a van, according to records and neighbors. The killer couple, David N. Anderson, 47, and Francine Graham, 50 — who died in a gun battle with cops — met about two years ago when Graham was living a quiet life as a home health aide in an Elizabeth, NJ, apartment complex, The Post has learned.

“She was desperate for a boyfriend,” said neighbor Kenneth Safford, 69. “She smoked cigarettes out here. We would talk. She always said she had a problem … She couldn’t get a man,” he said, adding that she sometimes speculated as to why she couldn’t find love. “She claimed she had built-in body odor,” he said. “She wanted a boyfriend so bad.” A second neighbor — a 45-year-old woman who did not want their name given — said that after meeting Anderson, Graham changed. “Since he got into her life, she didn’t have a desire to work. She used to exercise with me, we used to walk around the block. Then all of the sudden she seemed to disappear. I stopped seeing her around. She stopped taking my calls,” she said.

Graham also told the woman she was part of a religion pertaining to “black Jews” — likely the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, of which Anderson has been identified as a one-time follower by law enforcement sources. The group believes they are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, are known to vilify white and Jewish people and are considered a black supremacist group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Anderson and Graham were heard chanting and reading the New Testament from their home, another neighbor told The Post.

“She used to do chanting and stuff like that. It was loud enough to know it was that. She would just be standing right there,” the neighbor said. “Standing and smoking. You would just hear them just chanting religious stuff.” About a year after the two met, Graham — who grew up in the Manhattanville Houses in West Harlem — lost her home through foreclosure and moved into a van with Anderson, the neighbor said. “They would come back to the apartment once in a while and stay until the sheriff put the lock on the door,” the neighbor went on. Another local, who only gave her name as Alexis, said Graham “was a little off” and “yelled at the kids” in the neighborhood for playing in the street.

Before Anderson met Graham, he was in the Army Reserve, serving as a fuel and electrical system repairer as a specialist from September 1999 to September 2003, according to an Army spokesman. But shortly before he got out of the reserves, he was arrested for having an illegal weapon and went on to spend the next eight years in and out of jail in New Jersey and Ohio, records show. n 2003, Anderson pleaded guilty to unlawful possession of an air/spring pistol in Hudson County, NJ. He was sentenced to three years’ probation in February 2004, having already spent 335 days in the county jail, court records show. Just over three years later in November 2007, Anderson was found guilty yet again of the same charge and was sentenced to probation again in December 2008 after spending 445 days in jail, the records show.

Once he was sprung, Anderson moved briefly to New York and then headed to Kent, Ohio, in July 2009 to shack up with a woman he’d met online, according to records from the Kent Police Department. On Sept. 20 that year, the two got into a fight about having children together, leading Anderson to punch a hole in the wall and threaten her. “I’m gonna kill you. I feel like killing you. You made me lose everything, you can leave this world. Call the police because I’m gonna kill you,” Anderson allegedly told the woman as he forcefully grabbed her cheeks on her face, the police records state. He was arrested for domestic violence threats and later pleaded the case down to criminal mischief and spent 30 days in jail, Ohio court records show.

The couple got back together after the quarrel and about two and a half years later in April 2011, Anderson was arrested again when police realized he had an open warrant from Hudson County for his 2007 weapons violation during another incident involving Anderson’s girlfriend and her children. He was extradited to New Jersey and was sentenced to five years in prison in June 2011 for violating his earlier probation — but only served four months in prison before he was let out on parole again. Anderson and Graham are accused of walking into the Jersey City Kosher Supermarket on Tuesday afternoon and shooting three individuals after they had killed a Jersey City detective in a nearby cemetery.

The attack is being called a hate crime by Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, but Jersey City police have yet to say if the shooting is being investigated as a hate crime. The duo are also considered the prime suspects in the murder of a Bayonne Uber driver.
https://nypost.com/2019/12/11/jersey-ci ... -in-a-van/
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Jersey City Shooting Was ‘Domestic Terrorism,’ Officials Say
The deadly rampage that ended with one police officer slain and three bystanders killed at a kosher market in New Jersey is now being treated as an act of domestic terrorism, the authorities said on Thursday.

Investigators believe the two attackers were “fueled both by anti-Semitism and anti-law enforcement beliefs,” New Jersey’s attorney general, Gurbir S. Grewal, told reporters at a news conference.

As a result of the evidence so far, the F.B.I. was investigating the violence as “a domestic terrorism incident with a hate crime bias,” said Gregory W. Ehrie, the special agent in charge of the bureau’s office in Newark.

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A member of the Board of Education in Jersey City is under fire after she made posts on social media that seemingly blamed Jews for the deadly attack on a kosher deli this Tuesday.

“Where was all this faith and hope when Black homeowners were being threatened, intimidated and harassed by I WANT TO BUY YOUR HOUSE brutes of the jewish community? (sic) They brazenly came on the property of Ward F Black homeowners and waved bags of money,” Joan Terrell wrote on Facebook, according to screenshots obtained by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Terrell was reportedly responding to an article about an event that was attended by faith and community leaders to honor the attack’s victims. She also floated a conspiracy theory that claimed “6 rabbis were accused of selling body parts.”

“Mr. Anderson and Ms. Graham went directly to the kosher supermarket,” she wrote, referring to the shooters. “I believe they knew they would come out in body bags. What is the message they were sending? Are we brave enough to explore the answer to their message? Are we brave enough to stop the assault on the Black communities of America?”

Calls for Terrell to resign were swift, one of them coming from the city’s mayor, Steven Fulop.

“I saw this and I’m saddened by the ignorance her comments demonstrate,” he tweeted. “Her comments don’t represent Jersey City or the sentiment in the community at all. The African American community in Greenville has been nothing short of amazing over the last week helping neighbors.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/jerse ... sher-deli/

Shows ignorance, racism and bigotry can come in all shades and colors.
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Bomb in Van of NJ Shooting Attack Suspects Could’ve Killed People 5 Football Fields Away: Officials
They also said there was enough material in the van to make a second bomb.

Four innocent people, including a veteran Jersey City police detective and father of five, died in the hail of prolonged gunfire. Most of the victims were found inside the JC Kosher Supermarket on Martin Luther King Boulevard during what officials have described as a hate-fueled terror spree on Dec. 10.
U.S. Attorney Craig Carpenito said of Seals, "We believe he threw off a broader plan," and that his actions "probably saved dozens if not more lives."

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Where do these Black Hebrew Israelite members get their money and materials? I always wondered who funds ISIS, and never found an answer. I now wonder about these guys. They are all over YouTube with pro-Trump videos and are clear supporters of Trump. Remember the most recently famous Black Hebrew Israelite at Trump rallies (until he was outed)?

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Even more tragic if they had detonated it next to the Jewish community center.
Officials said there are no other current threats related to the case. While there are no co-conspirators or connections to a third party, Ehrie said, he lamented the difficulty in trying to find and prevent attacks by people such as Anderson and Graham, who were not known to law enforcement before the attack and were not tied to an organization or group.

"A lot of these individuals, like Anderson and Graham, are off the radar. They aren't doing anything that would bring them to anybody's attention, whether that's by intent or whether that's just by their lifestyles, and then just something goes and they commit to an act like this. That is very, very difficult," Ehrie said.
"There's no organization to look into," Ehrie said. "There's nobody to infiltrate. There's no undercover work we can do. There's no phone we can tap. There's no anything, our usual techniques to get inside the minds of these people."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/us/jerse ... index.html

We can't be protected from actions of every terrorist domestic or foreign. And as we know from court decisions all the way up to SCOTUS, the police have no legal duty of protection.

A federal judge says Broward schools and the Sheriff’s Office had no legal duty to protect students during the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

U.S. District Judge Beth Bloom dismissed a suit filed by 15 students who claimed they were traumatized by the crisis in February. The suit named six defendants, including the Broward school district and the Broward Sheriff’s Office, as well as school deputy Scot Peterson and campus monitor Andrew Medina.

Bloom ruled that the two agencies had no constitutional duty to protect students who were not in custody.

“The claim arises from the actions of [shooter Nikolas] Cruz, a third party, and not a state actor,” she wrote in a ruling Dec. 12. “Thus, the critical question the Court analyzes is whether defendants had a constitutional duty to protect plaintiffs from the actions of Cruz.

“As previously stated, for such a duty to exist on the part of defendants, plaintiffs would have to be considered to be in custody” — for example, as prisoners or patients of a mental hospital, she wrote.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/brow ... story.html
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