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4 killed in Florida shootout

#1 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:35 am

Robbery suspects, hostage and bystander killed after hijacking, dramatic police chase
The FBI on Thursday night acknowledged that four people were killed: the two robbers, a UPS driver who was taken hostage and a bystander who was inside an idle car at the scene.
FBI Special Agent in Charge George Piro, the head of the Miami field office, offered his condolences to the “innocent victims,” but declined to say whether bullets fired by the robbers or the police killed them.
The head of Miami-Dade’s police union said 11 officers from the department opened fire, only after the robbers “started firing first” at the final crime scene.
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#2 Post by highdesert » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:10 am

Tragic, high speed chases can be the most deadly. They always remind of the 1992 one involving Border Patrol and a van full of illegal immigrants.
A Chevrolet Suburban fleeing Border Patrol agents crashed at high speed into a passing car outside a high school Tuesday, killing four students and a father driving his son to school and injuring the 13 occupants of the camper.

The accident occurred just after 7:30 a.m. as horrified students arrived for classes at Temecula Valley High School. Wreckage and bodies were strewn across a busy intersection in this fast-growing, semirural community in southern Riverside County, renewing controversy over Border Patrol policy on high-speed chases.

The stolen Suburban carrying 13 suspected illegal immigrants ran a red light and smashed into an Acura Legend with such force that it tore the smaller vehicle in half, killing the father, his son and a teen-age friend, authorities said.

“There was metal and glass and rubber and people . . . all went up in the sky,” said Jason Boles, a driver who witnessed the crash. “There was notebook paper all over the place so I knew there were kids involved. And I could see the dad in the front seat of the Acura with his suit on, and he was dead.”The careening truck also struck and killed two students walking on the sidewalk: a brother and sister whose mother, a reporter, learned of their deaths as she was covering the accident for her newspaper.

“The kids were on the sidewalk just where they were supposed to be and they got killed,” said Riverside County Sheriff’s Investigator Henry Sawicki
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#3 Post by highdesert » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:35 pm

The overwhelming use of force is being questioned after a chase in Florida ended in a deadly shootout with police. It started when two men, who the FBI said were already wanted for two similar heists near Miami, robbed a jewelry store and hijacked a UPS van.

After a 23-mile chase, the officers opened fire when the gunmen shot at them, leaving drivers in rush-hour traffic panicked and scrambling.

The two men who police said robbed the jewelry store were killed. But so was 70-year-old Richard Cutshaw, who was waiting in his car at the intersection. The UPS driver who was taken hostage, Frank Ordonez, was also killed.

Ordonez was father of two daughters, ages 3 and 5. Now his stepfather is criticizing the officers' actions.

"They disregard the hostage, they disregard for the people around the scene. They went out there like the old West," said Joe Merino.

Miami-Dade's police director, Juan Perez, explained why officers had to move in on the suspects, saying the suspects weren't just fleeing, they were being violent and "confronting officers shooting at them."

But Manny Orosa, who was Miami-Dade's police chief from 2011 to 2015, questions the tactic given the number of civilians and the hostage.

"If you're shooting into a truck and you don't have a clear vision of who you're shooting at, you don't just shoot at the truck," Orosa said.

It's not clear yet who fired the shots that killed the UPS driver and the innocent bystander. A complete investigation could take months, even years. The Miami-Dade officers who opened fire have been placed on administrative leave, which is standard during these types of investigations.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-truck- ... 019-12-06/
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