haven't read thru them all, pretty good (some small errors). more links to other varieties of hardware at bottom.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... my-helmet/
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2Three updates over the course of 90 years, then suddenly three updates over the course of 20 years is an interesting change of pace. And just think, as our technological prowess improves, these changes will come faster and faster.
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3and the facehuggers will still burn through that visor.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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4That was a fun read, but it made me feel old. Those steel pots were heavy!
The newest fighters have one weak link. The pilots cannot handle the G forces that the materials can withstand. I do wonder how long before most soldiers, sailors, and pilots are working desk jobs. Future wars will become more politically acceptable with fewer American casualties.
The newest fighters have one weak link. The pilots cannot handle the G forces that the materials can withstand. I do wonder how long before most soldiers, sailors, and pilots are working desk jobs. Future wars will become more politically acceptable with fewer American casualties.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
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5part of my interest is because i have my grandfather's kelly, and an m1 steel pot from ww2 (with provenance). i suppose i should get a pasgt to round out the collection, but for me they have no cachet. if my number had come up in '73 i would have worn an m1.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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6Not just the newest fighters, the F16 has that issue when t was first built. The computer programming the flight controls was reprogramed to dampen the high speed maneuvers.K9s wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:39 pm That was a fun read, but it made me feel old. Those steel pots were heavy!
The newest fighters have one weak link. The pilots cannot handle the G forces that the materials can withstand. I do wonder how long before most soldiers, sailors, and pilots are working desk jobs. Future wars will become more politically acceptable with fewer American casualties.
It won’t be long before AI is running or wars using robots and unmanned drones. No human involved except to say go get ‘em.
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7Ummmm.... Fighting, not running it. Someone has to keep the AI force from invading an ally. For now, I suppose.TrueTexan wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:55 pmNot just the newest fighters, the F16 has that issue when t was first built. The computer programming the flight controls was reprogramed to dampen the high speed maneuvers.K9s wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:39 pm That was a fun read, but it made me feel old. Those steel pots were heavy!
The newest fighters have one weak link. The pilots cannot handle the G forces that the materials can withstand. I do wonder how long before most soldiers, sailors, and pilots are working desk jobs. Future wars will become more politically acceptable with fewer American casualties.
It won’t be long before AI is running or wars using robots and unmanned drones. No human involved except to say go get ‘em.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
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8The "Fritz" was still a few years on the horizon when I left the service. The steel pot was heavy, yes, but it had multiple uses; You can't boil water in Kevlar to heat your C rats.
Cynistoicureanism: The world view best expressed by "I can't trust 'em any farther then I can throw 'em, There's nothing I can do about it anyway, So let's have a drink".
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9Glad the technology has advanced but same problem as motorcycle helmets, no protection for the neck and spinal cord.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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10not sure there's a way to do that without sacrificing mobility.highdesert wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:45 am Glad the technology has advanced but same problem as motorcycle helmets, no protection for the neck and spinal cord.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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11next you're going to say that head-butting is more effective while wearing a pickelhaubeJColville wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:39 am The "Fritz" was still a few years on the horizon when I left the service. The steel pot was heavy, yes, but it had multiple uses; You can't boil water in Kevlar to heat your C rats.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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12I agree that's the challenge, next generation of Kevlar?lurker wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:53 amnot sure there's a way to do that without sacrificing mobility.highdesert wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:45 am Glad the technology has advanced but same problem as motorcycle helmets, no protection for the neck and spinal cord.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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13i expect someone, somewhere (DARPA?)is working on a full integrated armor system which allows movement through the "normal" range. it will be expensive.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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14No. I'll leave that for the 15th century Turkish helmets; you know, the kind with the 2 foot spike they use for ramming their enemies in the stomach and killing them stone dead.lurker wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:55 amnext you're going to say that head-butting is more effective while wearing a pickelhaubeJColville wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:39 am The "Fritz" was still a few years on the horizon when I left the service. The steel pot was heavy, yes, but it had multiple uses; You can't boil water in Kevlar to heat your C rats.
Cynistoicureanism: The world view best expressed by "I can't trust 'em any farther then I can throw 'em, There's nothing I can do about it anyway, So let's have a drink".
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15this was my grandfather's helmet in ww1. it's rough, my brother kept it in the garage for 30 years. i think he viewed it as scrap metal. the liner is gone, the paint is spotty, and the rim is coming apart, but it's family, so...
that's his chair in the pic too, and i have a couple of documents. he was in the signal corps and learned to fly biplanes "over there". he told a story (don't know how true) about capturing german spies, they were on a hill behind and overlooking the lines, signalling to the far side by flashing truck headlights. sure do wish i'd listened to more of his tales.i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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16Cool item. Good to know you kept it.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
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17i have another in much better shape, but don't know who wore it. and a ww2 vintage M1 steel pot with provenance, man who wore it (Hudson Gill was in the 12th armored div, (hellcats)) helped liberate a concentration camp in germany. one day i suppose all of this will end up in an estate sale, but for now, it's safe.
i'm having a hard time understanding why we have fascists right here in the US of A. didn't we put that down once before?
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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18I guess it depends on your point of view. They have always been here, but they weren't a threat to everyone. Luckily, not all white people are behind them in 2019.lurker wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 pmi have another in much better shape, but don't know who wore it. and a ww2 vintage M1 steel pot with provenance, man who wore it (Hudson Gill was in the 12th armored div, (hellcats)) helped liberate a concentration camp in germany. one day i suppose all of this will end up in an estate sale, but for now, it's safe.
i'm having a hard time understanding why we have fascists right here in the US of A. didn't we put that down once before?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
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19The UK helmets used in the first half of the 20th century are quite similar to what 14th century English foot soldiers used.