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As long as they focus on what is best for the UK and its people, they should be fine. Selling off the NHS to Trump cronies and leaving the EU for a bilateral treaty with Trump is just not the best move.

The EU is now destabilized, and what's left of NATO stability is next on the chopping block.
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The UK general election is this Thursday, December 12th.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is heading into Britain’s election next week with a lead in opinion polls, but some of the surveys also suggest that his chance of winning a parliamentary majority could be too close to call.

Four opinion polls published on Saturday put the lead of Johnson’s Conservative Party over the main opposition Labour Party at between eight and 15 points, five days before the Dec. 12 national election. At the lowest end of that range, Johnson cannot count on winning the majority in parliament he needs to take Britain out of the European Union by Jan. 31, especially if voters choose to put aside their usual allegiances to vote tactically over Brexit.

Polling firm Savanta ComRes said Johnson’s lead over Labour had shrunk to eight points from 10 in a previous poll published on Wednesday - the tightest margin of Saturday’s four surveys. Its head of politics, Chris Hopkins, said the final few days of the campaign could be crucial. “The margins are incredibly tight,” he said. “The Conservative lead over Labour dropping or increasing by one or two points could be the difference between a hung parliament and a sizeable Conservative majority.”

The election pits Johnson’s plan to get Brexit done next month against Labour’s call for a second referendum on a new Brexit deal under its veteran socialist leader Jeremy Corbyn. Opinion pollsters were embarrassed by Britain’s last election in 2017, when they under-estimated the size of Labour’s support which cost previous prime minister Theresa May her majority and threw Brexit into chaos. They also failed to predict the victory of the Leave campaign in the 2016 EU membership referendum.

However, one poll, published before the 2017 election, by YouGov, was more accurate in predicting the number of seats won by each party. Known as an MRP poll - an acronym for its Multilevel Regression and Post-stratification model - it predicted 93% of results in individual constituencies correctly. The Sunday Times said a poll by Datapraxis, also using the MRP model and based on 500,000 online interviews, predicted that Johnson would win a majority of 38 in parliament next week, down from a projection of 48 two weeks ago.

“We have never seen as many undecided voters this late in the campaign,” Datapraxis boss Paul Hilder said. “As many as 80-90 constituencies are still up for grabs. A much larger Conservative landslide is still possible - but so is a hung parliament.” YouGov said last month that its MRP model suggested the Conservatives were on course for a majority of 68. YouGov will publish an updated version of the poll on Tuesday. Best for Britain, a group that wants a second referendum to stop Brexit, said an MRP poll it commissioned showed Johnson was on course to win 345 seats in parliament - or a majority of 40 - without tactical voting, a term for when people back parties they do not usually support in an attempt to defeat others.

But tactical voting by 41,000 voters in just 36 swing seats could prevent Johnson from getting a majority, it said. “This election is on a knife-edge,” the group’s chief executive Naomi Smith said. “If enough remainers hold their nose and vote for the candidate with the best chance of stopping the Tories (Conservatives) in their seat we’re heading for a hung parliament and a final say referendum.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKBN1YB0MW

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49798197
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I can't make sense of those polls except to conclude that the past few years of gridlock will continue.

Before 2016, I remember reading that our enemies wanted us to focus inward and not on what they were doing. A stable country can help others. UK and US are looking less stable.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:37 am I can't make sense of those polls except to conclude that the past few years of gridlock will continue.

Before 2016, I remember reading that our enemies wanted us to focus inward and not on what they were doing. A stable country can help others. UK and US are looking less stable.
It's quite possible that the UK will have another divided House of Commons or that Conservatives will have a comfortable majority. BBC is known for their "poll of polls" averaging out available and reputable polls, they are after all a crown corporation so they stay neutral. The average % for each party is listed and assuming a 4% margin of error the true number in the case of the Conservatives is between 38 & 46, usually noted in polls that it's within 95% confidence level. So if the true number for Conservatives is 38% and Labour is 36% it is within the margin of error of most polls which means a toss up. More polling this Tuesday, might see the undecideds finally break for one party.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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tonguengroover wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:27 pm Well you know Steve Bannon has his sticky little fingers in all of it. He has kinda gone undercover, but is working in the background.
I think it is Arron Banks and his Russian money, not Bannon directly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_i ... referendum
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